Why do people beg for cash shop stuff?

[Airget]

Long and the short of it, they feel they are likely to get it added to the cash shop because mormoney beats morality every time.

Nah, it's because it tends to be an exclusive item from another region or something that was once an event exclusive and is no longer obtainable. So while you the player might of paid the 12.99 that month to play the game and get the item when the event was available, now a player who rejoins and wanted that item can instead pay with money to get that item because the sub fee in a sense acts as the key to get those items for "free" because they are designed to be perks for staying loyal and playing/subscribing.

As for the Chinese and Korean outfits, these were specially designed and also special promotions I believe, so to make them "free" to our servers would be very bad PR on SE's part because then it be like saying "Ok we'll have the Koreans and Chinese pay to get those outfits but the NA/EU/JP can get it for free!" and they don't want to suggest that they are giving it away to free to another version when the original version had to pay for it in some way.

[Chocolys]

Its funny because people say they don't want to make a job out of playing, then they go to work to get extra money to spend in the cash shop.

Yeah but they would reply for example that it could take them 1 hour of real work to pay for an item which would require them 5 real hours of in-game work. So basically they win time to focus on what they enjoy doing in game skipping the part they don't like. It does make sense.

Of course it can be with consequences. Because for the Cash-Shop items to be attractive, the items needs to be either exclusive or either not quickly obtainable in-game. The important question: Is it leading the developpers to purposely make items harder to get in game as to promote the use of the Cash-Shop, or is the Cash-Shop having no influence on the game experience for all the players?

[Watachy]

Exclusivity exists in-game as well. Savage mounts. PvP mounts and minions. EX Primal mounts.
All of that content is available to paying subscribers just like the cash shop. It's not like only certain people have access to the cash shop.

They are not exclusive items, everyone can get them by just playing the game. You can't deny that, the items you mentionned are in the game, so every susbcribed player can get'em.
And if they don't want difficulty acquiring them, they just gonna need to wait for patches to come along and destroy the bosses with the unsynch ilvl.

CS items are exclusive since not everyone have the money to buy them.

I understand your point, and like our debate. But you can't deny the fact that CS items are exclusives to the people that can pay for it and in my opinion that's not normal. If SE would just mind put a way to obtain them in the game, even if it's an horrible grinding or something and in the CS everyone should be happy.

There no much things you need to work for it in the game, the only thing i see acutally is the relic. So yeah, gathering ressources, killing monsters to get ressources, grind some quest to get those items ? Im all in dude.

[Youkulm]

Pretty straightforward question. Why would you ask for an item that is not available yet to be put straight into the cash shop rather than included in the game for free? I've seen about five different threads with that in the title on the front two pages alone, and I literally don't understand the mind-set to want that.

My belief is because people think that is SE sees "oh they're willing to pay money for it?" then they're more likely to get it. Asking for it to be put into the game through a quest, NPC, crafting so forth? Much less likely. Cash shop on the other hand?

SE is a business if they know they can make more money they will do it.

[Andres_Lonegrief]

because this game has turned into FF: Barbiesward and people want to play with dolls. So they ask for furnitures, clothes and hairstyles. Real gameplay content isn't important...(unless it rewards players with glamour things, then it's ok but it should be really easy because it can't steal time to the dollhouse game).

[Celef]

because this game has turned into FF: Barbiesward and people want to play with dolls. So they ask for furnitures, clothes and hairstyles. Real gameplay content isn't important...(unless it rewards players with glamour things, then it's ok but it should be really easy because it can't steal time to the dollhouse game).

Well FF14 as always been casual friendly (not in a bad way, just players without a lot of play time) so they can't creat content that requiere hours of raiding or month to down a mob like you can see in other mmos.
On the other hand, glamour or housing is a way to entertain players that won't raid cause not enought time / no roster and keep there subscription active to grind there glam or craft their furnitures.

[Andres_Lonegrief]

Well FF14 as always been casual friendly (not in a bad way, just players without a lot of play time) so they can't creat content that requiere hours of raiding or month to down a mob like you can see in other mmos.
On the other hand, glamour or housing is a way to entertain players that won't raid cause not enought time / no roster and keep there subscription active to grind there glam or craft their furnitures.

True. Still, I think that this glamour thing is getting out of hand. I'm not asking for endless grinding but for more actual playable content. It's difficult to explain this but I wished we had less vanity items and more instanced dungeon, trials, quests ... In terms of workload, I'm not even sure it is more demanding as they have always said that every armor set requires time as it needs to fit every single character model (I remember reading that even making something dyeable isn't straightforward).

I know that a cash shop sells optional items, but is this good? What if it becomes so remunerative that it will be ok to neglect working and investing on other type of contents? I don't like this emphasis on the shop, I see its good points in terms of revenues but I can't shake off the idea that it eventually ruin the game, if it isn't happening already.

[Solarra]

Why do people ask for things in the cash-shop?
1) They can afford it, and also I guess, it doesn't bother them that other people might not be so fortunate.
2) It guarantees they will be able to get it, regardless of how much time they have to play and regardless of their skill, where putting items in-game might demand they do content they either don't like or aren't good enough at to get the reward.
3) Instant access, no waiting.

Is it good for the game?
Well, having seen the way the cash-shop has developed with Blizzard and WoW, I don't think so.
When the rewards in-game are lack-lustre compared to the cash shop, it takes away motivation to play.
Not many people want to grind rep for several weeks so they can get a reskinned mount they already have in several colours'
It's the same with glamour, if all the good hairstyles and clothes are in the cash-shop, then people who like these things have less motivation to play.

The problem is, FFXIV is primarily a business. If people complain about some items being hard to get in-game (e.g. PotD hairstyle, new PvP mount) and if they then express a preference for those items to go in the cash shop, then that's where the people running the business side of things are going to want to see development time going.

I understand its disappointing to see an item you like that is unattainable (I know I'll never get that pvp mount), but I feel it's better long-term to just deal with that disappointment, accept that you aren't going to get every single item, and keep the good rewards where they belong, in-game.

[Phileas]

After browsing the mog shop it is nearly all fanservice stuff...like if ur a hardcore fan of yshtola or thancred you can buy their outfits. Nothing in there gives any kind of edge in game other than giving you fan servicey options for glamour. I havent bought anything from there...but if u do more power to ya

[Zojha]

I feel it's better long-term to just deal with that disappointment[...]

And I feel it's better to just not create that disappointment in the first place. It's just cosmetics, no reason to make them so hard to get that people get frustrated by it.
It solves two issues in one go and the only ones worse off in the process are the people who take enjoyment in excluding others from something - So people who celebrate glee. Doesn't strike me as a loss.