Proportionate Bodies

[Bladesinger]

So let me get this straight - you people are continuing to beat this horse in the hopes that maybe with a little more drumming, Yoshi will change what is obviously his stance on over-sexualizing the characters his team developed. If he was going to change this, folks would have heard SOMETHING to that effect BY NOW =\

He is taking into consideration the crop of people who find the sorts of suggestions you other people have asked for to be very obscene and believe with his silence on the matter, that he will do nothing about it.

So I'd like to take this opportunity to make a suggestion to the team IF this is something they're considering - Refine the ignore list, allow the ignore list to be an endless text file that is built on our computers that retains the functionality it currently has and adds "hide player character models" - Other games have done this, and I believe with the work the game engine is currently undergoing with the expansion, this is a possibility.

I'm speaking up for the group of people who do not know what is being suggested here and telling the development team that this WILL drive this particular group from the game - Just like it did with Star Wars - Tera - and every other game that over sexualized the characters in their games, go have a look at how well those companies are doing now since they decided that sex sells...

[AlessaGillespie]

The only way to have something changed is to stay voiced about it. Just dont stop voicing your desires, I wont. Also if people would whine about slightly better looking bodies.. Then well.. Im confused, But yes i like your idea of toggles.

[Bladesinger]

The only way to have something changed is to stay voiced about it. Just dont stop voicing your desires, I wont. Also if people would whine about slightly better looking bodies.. Then well, are they even human beings?

Like I said - if they're going to change it, they would have mentioned something..

[HyoMinPark]

Like I said - if they're going to change it, they would have mentioned something..

If it's something they were thinking about changing for 4.0, could be that they're waiting to announce it at another Fan Fest. From what I've gathered, a lot of the big announcements tend to be made at the Japan Fan Fest. If they follow what they did last year.

[Bladesinger]

If it's something they were thinking about changing for 4.0, could be that they're waiting to announce it at another Fan Fest. From what I've gathered, a lot of the big announcements tend to be made at the Japan Fan Fest. If they follow what they did last year.

IF is a very big word - post a link where they mention something is being done about it or this is nothing more then yet ANOTHER I want this thread and has NO basis in reality.

[HyoMinPark]

IF is a very big word - post a link where they mention something is being done about it or this is nothing more then yet ANOTHER I want this thread and has NO basis in reality.

All I was saying was just because something has yet to be announced doesn't mean it's automatically not going to happen or not be announced down the road. There are still two more Fan Fests (December and February). More stuff will be announced about 4.0 then, as I believe was said during the Vegas fan fest. I'm not trying to say "This will happen! They will announce it!" Just that it's a possibility. And this isn't limited to body sliders, but any new content that could be added in 4.0. I don't know if it's intentional, but you're coming off as unnecessarily hostile about this.

There's a reason I'm coming off as hostile - I have a group of people that finds the over sexualization that is happening within the game to be a detracting and enjoyment killing situation that needs to be voiced.

There isn't a WEEK that doesn't go by that I have to face the reality people want to leave because a certain group of people want to run around as sexually provocative as they can. On one hand - YES - you have the right to enjoy the game the way you would like, the problem lies in upsetting people that consider package sliders and jiggle physics to be absolutley disgusting =(

Editting this post since I've reached my post limit (seriously forums, seriously?). Hopefully you'll see this response.

We can all voice our opinions and our thoughts and concerns without being overly hostile about them. In the end, being hostile about opinions in a debate does nothing other than to decrease your (general 'your' here) argument's merits, and it will make people less receptive and less respective of your opinions. But, we're all human, and some times we can get heated when discussing things we feel passionately about. I am guilty of this as well, and I can be quite a hothead sometimes, but I try to not be hostile when voicing my opinions.

About the body sliders debate, what I am listing is only my opinion, and I am not intending to speak for others. These are just my thoughts and my observations based on what I have read on this subject off-and-on. Me, personally, I wouldn't mind if they added butt sliders. I don't find anything overtly sexual about asking for my character to have a natural-looking behind and curves, rather than the pancake butt she has now. As humans, we all have butts, and they're all of different sizes and shapes. Whether people view butts as overtly sexual is their own opinion, but asking for a more natural butt, or to have a slider option for butts, I don't think is overtly sexual. Bulge sliders...eh, I don't really want to get in on that one. Boob physics actually already exist in this game, and I think it adds to the feeling of naturalness, really. I would find it more unnatural to see a character with max chest size run and them remain stiff, but that's me.

I don't think a lot of us that want body sliders are asking for it because we want to over-sexualize our characters (though I'm sure there are some out there that want them for that very reason, and well, different folks, different strokes.). I love FFXIV, and I would love it more if my character could look a little more natural (well, as natural as a kitty person can look XD). To me, that would be having more curves, and not just being top-heavy. I don't want her to have a larger butt so I can perv on my character. I just want a little more naturalness to her figure. That's all. :3

The unfortunately reality of life is that people will always find something to complain about, or disagree about, or be disgusted about. And it's unfortunate things have to be that way, but there isn't much we can do. People that dress their characters provocatively may be bothersome, but I do my best to just ignore them, and do my own thing. Me, sometimes I like glamouring my character in the Coliseum/Taffeta shawl because she looks good in it. I'm not trying to overly sexualize her. I just like her in the glamour. X3

[Bladesinger]

All I was saying was just because something has yet to be announced doesn't mean it's automatically not going to happen or not be announced down the road. There are still two more Fan Fests (December and February). More stuff will be announced about 4.0 then, as I believe was said during the Vegas fan fest. I'm not trying to say "This will happen! They will announce it!" Just that it's a possibility. And this isn't limited to body sliders, but any new content that could be added in 4.0. I don't know if it's intentional, but you're coming off as unnecessarily hostile about this.

There's a reason I'm coming off as hostile - I have a group of people that finds the over sexualization that is happening within the game to be a detracting and enjoyment killing situation that needs to be voiced.

There isn't a WEEK that doesn't go by that I have to face the reality people want to leave because a certain group of people want to run around as sexually provocative as they can. On one hand - YES - you have the right to enjoy the game the way you would like, the problem lies in upsetting people that consider package sliders and jiggle physics to be absolutley disgusting =(

[AlessaGillespie]

IF is a very big word - post a link where they mention something is being done about it or this is nothing more then yet ANOTHER I want this thread and has NO basis in reality.

Fine be that way. But im going to stay here and continue to voice my desires. Regardless of what others want

[Bladesinger]

Fine be that way. But im going to stay here and continue to voice my desires. Regardless of what others want

I asked for a link to where Yoshi said something was going to be done - Would give me the link and push to have a hide player character model feature implemented..

[Bladesinger]

The only way to have something changed is to stay voiced about it. Just dont stop voicing your desires, I wont. Also if people would whine about slightly better looking bodies.. Then well.. Im confused, But yes i like your idea of toggles.

Also - there are people who're perfectly fine with the way the bodies look - In fact they recognize the bodies being similar to the bodies from FFXI and believe that to be a good thing - it seems the only people who care about the bodies are the very same people who're pushing "package" sliders