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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigabar View Post
    Source?

    On topic, I'd like the barding, but I advocate to have it put directly into the game first.
    Source: How big businesses operate. That's just how it works. Individual teams within a business do not operate in financial isolation from the wider business. Whenever Yoshi says his team does not have the money to do something it actually means the execs won't give him the money to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    Source: How big businesses operate. That's just how it works. Individual teams within a business do not operate in financial isolation from the wider business. Whenever Yoshi says his team does not have the money to do something it actually means the execs won't give him the money to do it.
    Nah mate, not good enough. We're going to need copies of the minutes from financial meetings. /s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    Nah mate, not good enough. We're going to need copies of the minutes from financial meetings. /s
    Actually, yeah, that would be a source. Making bold assumptions, and claiming it as fact, based on some business knowledge does not make it a source.
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    Last edited by Zigabar; 11-04-2016 at 01:22 AM.
    A mentor stole my house, slapped me across the face, and raised my ping from 15 to 30. Literally unplayable.

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    I would advise against the “you pulled it you tank it” shtick. Try diplomacy first. “Please allow me to pull the mobs.” [...] While the deeps is wrong for pulling ahead, you certainly aren’t right by not doing your job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigabar View Post
    Actually, yeah, that would be a source. Making bold assumptions, and claiming it as fact, based on some business knowledge does not make it a source.
    Never said it was 100% fact, more like 99% or so I reckon. SE straight up said that FFXIV made them like a bajillion dollars give or take, then a bit later said 'woah, no money for EU servers unless you pony up some more cash (pony, get it.)'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunafreya View Post
    It was a joke actually that someone will come in and say add them to the cash shop.
    Well, you were complaining about items being suggested to go into the cash shop...

    That 'joke' was suggesting the items would go in the cash shop...



    It came off a bit hypocritical to me when I happened to see it while browsing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi View Post
    Well, you were complaining about items being suggested to go into the cash shop...

    That 'joke' was suggesting the items would go in the cash shop...



    It came off a bit hypocritical to me when I happened to see it while browsing...
    Inb4 someone makes a mogshop comment doesn't mean I want it to go in the cash shop. It is just what I expect from the people on here. And yeah, I'm an anti cash shop person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    I'd like to make a distinction between the actual company 'SquareEnix' and Yoshi's team that is developing FFXIV.
    To everyone screaming source, Alberel is right, this is how big publishers work (source: 4 years of study on games industry practice, plus background reading). The problem is that we can't look at SE the publisher and say "OMG so greedy" because they are so far in the background that our forum voices don't reach, also... is it a surprise to anyone these days that publishers care more about the cash flow than the quality of the product? But anyway... What happens whenever people whine about the cash shop is that yoshi Ps team gets the brunt of the backlash, when they are in fact the ones trying to make good of it.

    I'll clarify my original points to expand on this distinction:

    - The budget given to yoshi Ps team was not enough to implement the EU datacenter (because evidently the accountants at SE HQ said that the budget given was viable enough to create the product and justify a return, whether or not it allowed everything within the games scope, which is fair enough, that's how business works)
    - The cash shop is implemented because SE does that (see deus ex: mankind evolved), again, nothing that us tiny xiv forum dwellers can do about that.
    - Yoshi P assures the community that the funds will go back into the game, which at the time was a necessary move for his team to meet the scope that they wanted.

    If you look at it this way, the cash shop is a resource that Yoshi Ps team use to allow them to create the game that they truly want to deliver to us. By berating that here undermines the lengths that they go to give us the best experience that they are allowed to, and apparently have done with the EU datacenter and server improvements.

    Having said all that, this becomes a less viable positive with the increased budget in 4.0, but we have no idea what will happen in the future, it's just something to think about moving forward.


    Edit - I'll say it again just in case: despite what I say above, I am wholly against the cash shop.
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    Last edited by Lambdafish; 11-04-2016 at 07:28 AM.

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    Anyway, on topic:
    I would very much like a piece of barding like that, too. The default barding, when no other is equipped, looks rather bland with the white harness. And all equipable bardings are a bit over the top, to my taste. This is pretty much perfectly what I'd like.
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    I honestly can't believe people would not want to support this game other than just paying subscription.. all this toxicity over my wanting to and willingness to pay extra for a fashion item for my chocobo. But seriously, take that toxicity elsewhere. I -will- pay money in Mog Station, done so for my Tataru Minion (worth it), Y'shtola Minion (way worth it), Huzzah and the Bomb Dance emote, and just to spite you all, I bought the Eastern Dress too.

    I payed my money for it.. I am not ashamed, and I will also promote supporting Square Enix with my money. You mizers who are hating on it can just cook in that special place in the seventh hell. =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syliani View Post
    I honestly can't believe people would not want to support this game other than just paying subscription.. all this toxicity over my wanting to and willingness to pay extra for a fashion item for my chocobo. But seriously, take that toxicity elsewhere. I -will- pay money in Mog Station, done so for my Tataru Minion (worth it), Y'shtola Minion (way worth it), Huzzah and the Bomb Dance emote, and just to spite you all, I bought the Eastern Dress too.

    I payed my money for it.. I am not ashamed, and I will also promote supporting Square Enix with my money. You mizers who are hating on it can just cook in that special place in the seventh hell. =)
    Right so. Enjoy the game in every way possible. Don't listen to those haters. Ignore them. That's what hurts them most
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