SpS on SMN anima?

[Jukebox12]

Fester ruin 2 Deathflare. gains a more of a boost with det then SS and i can get get 5 R3 a tridisater a R2 and fester before deathflare. A extra ruin 3 isn't worth the dmg

[Neela]

A extra ruin 3 isn't worth the dmg

it absolutely is. smns should even use ruin III here and there out of trance while waiting for cds if your mp management is good. ss boosts dots as well and hardcasting ruin III, shadow flare or emergency res with low ss kinda sucks. but yeah since i saw the stat-weights changes im just waiting to see the whole ss vs. det discussion going to the next level ;3

[Jukebox12]

it absolutely is. smns should even use ruin III here and there out of trance while waiting for cds if your mp management is good. ss boosts dots as well and hardcasting ruin III, shadow flare or emergency res with low ss kinda sucks. but yeah since i saw the stat-weights changes im just waiting to see the whole ss vs. det discussion going to the next level ;3

yeah but is it really needed alot of SS can become a hassle with mp management. please correct me if i am wrong but 1/3 dmg is you 1/3 dmg is DoTs and 1/3 dmg is pet. so is it really worth losing the Det that could increase your pet damage. I never said anything about out of DwT. Ruin 3 is awesome out of DwT but is it worth it if you cannot mp manage. Almost most of your hard hitting Attacks (doesn't include DoTs) are fester painflare deathflare Ruin 3 and Ruin 2 (ruin 2 is just there don't even try to deny Ruin 2)

[Neophyte]

Fester ruin 2 Deathflare. gains a more of a boost with det then SS and i can get get 5 R3 a tridisater a R2 and fester before deathflare. A extra ruin 3 isn't worth the dmg

You get 88 + 330 + 440 with that. 220 + 440 + 300 (if you can't get fester off within DWT) is better.

[Jukebox12]

You get 88 + 330 + 440 with that. 220 + 440 + 300 (if you can't get fester off within DWT) is better.

somehow your math is incorrect.

[Neophyte]

somehow your math is incorrect.

You are in DWT with 2,5-3s left and 1-3 AF stacks available:

Ruin2 (88) + Fester (330) + Deathflare (440) + Ruin (80)
<
Ruin3 (220) + Deathflare (440) + Ruin2 (80) + unbuffed Fester (300)

same MP cost, same ammount of GCDs, same ammount of used AF, 0.1-0.2s GCD loss because of clipping in Deathflare without instacast, but 112 more potency.

[Jukebox12]

oh that extra Ruin 3 only beats if deathflare doesn't Crit

[Neela]

oh that extra Ruin 3 only beats if deathflare doesn't Crit

...i just woke up so maybe i don't get it right but in which way does crit influence the skill before it?
there is no way that an extra ruin lll grands you dps loss... or did i miss something? o.O'

yeah but is it really needed alot of SS can become a hassle with mp management.

edit: you need around 750 ss for the extra spell and honestly it's not that hard to get your mp-management clear even with high ss...
currently (thx to my anima again) i have 1263 ss (round about) and as long as i have not to emergency res grp member multiply times
(which shouldn't happen that often) im totally fine with my manapool... i even can switch egis midfight for blazing shield and switching
back for raw dmg/dps checks while using con. so have you ever tried a build with 1k+ ss? honestly i doubt it...