New to Savage

[ccrocker58]

So, as the title says, I'm a WHM that's new to Savage. I'm currently in a static, and last week, after about 2 hours we cleared A9S. We met again tonight and before the raid, my co-healer, a SCH sent me a tell saying that they were going to DPS more...well the night ended with no clear. Basically, I couldn't keep up with the healing. Last week wasn't an issue because they were more focused on healing, or at least that's what they said.

I guess my question is, am I expected to solo heal the fight? I just couldn't seem to both keep the tanks and the other healer alive during adds and Acid Rain, and by the time Faust dropped, my MP was seriously hurting. During Acid Rain I generally will use Med II, as well as any other AoE if the regen has fallen off, if it hasn't I use Med I. However, while I'm casting the MT starts taking a lot of heat...then the OT...then the other healer from adds...and without spamming Cure II on all of them, one is bound to die. Either way, my MP at that point is in pretty bad shape, usually down to 10% or less. Are there any suggestions as to what else I can do here?

[DreamWeaver]

It seems that somebody uploaded the fflogs of your kill, and I hope you do not mind me using that to analyze your performance.

General obvious issues:
1) You are not using Assize enough, in my first kill I used 4 times, you only used twice, you are losing out 20% MP there
2) Shroud of Saints usage, its a 7.30+ min fight, you should be able use up to 4 times, you used 3 times.
3) Divine Seal usage, its on a minute CD, you used it for only 4 times, use it more often.
3) ZERO usage of Asylum, please learn how to use this amazing skill, it can easily replace a Medica/Medica II cast, best time to use it is after acid rains.

Subtle issues that can only be resolved by experience:
1) Your Cure II usage is extremely high, use more Regens and cure Is.
2) You often follow up your Medica II with a Medica, there's no reason for you to do it frequently, with a single exception that I will inform below

A9S Specific Advice:
1) 1st set of adds if your co healer is tanking the adds, Divine Seal + Regen + Asylum is more than sufficient to keep them alive, allowing you to focus on the MT, OT does not even need healing here.

2) 2nd set of adds, opposite of 1st set, co healer does not need healing at all, Divine Seal + Regen on OT, focus on MT while keeping an eye on OT (Tetra can be used here), request your co healer to heal OT if you're not comfortable healing two at once, but this is a skill that you'll need to learn down the road.

3) During 2nd set of adds, Acid Rain happens, that is THE ONLY RAID DAMAGE until Faust which is like 1 minute later, drop them a Medica II, and let the regen heal them up, DO NOT Medica II + Medica, this is a waste of MP and a waste of GCD.

4) Faust Time, there will be a total of three raid damage instances here, when faust lands, acid rain, and panzershrek.
The raid damage that you have to worry about is Acid Rain + Panzershrek, as these two happen relatively close (within 10 seconds IIRC), by right your co healer should prep deployment tactics and Indom here, but if you're worried, this is the one ACCEPTABLE place for you to cast Medica II and Medica together, please use Presence of Mind for faster casts, or if you have Assize ready, use Assize in replacement of Medica.

[Oneavi]

Make sure you also talk to your scholar about how he uses Eos. I have a clear on fflogs with very very similar raid dps to yours across the board, with the exception of myself and my co healer. While you probably don't want to try and go as hard as us right now, it'd be worth discussing how he uses Eos. Looking at your fflogs report, it looks like he's not using fey illumination or covenant, skills that alongside whispering dawn allow Eos to do a ton of the aoe heavy lifting if placed accurately. This is in addition to the mana management addressed in the above post.

if you look up my fflogs and compare it to yours, you can compare our healing throughput from second to second throughout the fight and maybe develop a better plan and understand where you're healing way too much, and way too little. For one thing, your overheal is a fair bit higher than mine, while your throughput is only a fraction lower. this indicates to me that you're placing spells poorly. Your scholar's overheal in your clear is also extremely problematic; it's enormous.

[Azaelyia]

You have to heal in A9s? Normally Eos can solo heal this fight when your scholar managed her at the right time. I (whm like you) only give the mt a regen all the time! always use Divine when its up. Also your bubble on the Mt is extremely helpfull. So both healers can dps all the time and you finish the fight in 4min or less if your Raid dps is good enough. in my grp we have a healer dps of 2,3k from both healers.
You can check my logs on fflogs if its helpful for you

[technole]

Dreamweaver has it pretty much spot on. It's really about utilizing all your WHM cooldowns as they are up to keep pace with MP and the heavier healing areas. You'll notice over time this gives more room for downtime DPS too.

Same with the Scholar end. Which it seems they can improve quite a bit with Eos cooldowns because it doesn't look they use all of them, and they should correct that. It's a noticeable difference for a main healer if they have a Scholar on-top of their fairy game. MP is saved, healing stress is less, even both healers can DPS more because of such. Utilize fairy buttons to their fullest potential.

Fey Illumination is like Divine Seal to supplement boost both your heals which in-turn saves MP. I preferably use that and/or Fey Covenant for Acid Rains, after I place her where the DPS will drop them, and then DPS my adds. Adlo spread is good for the Faust phase since there is so much damage going out in a matter of seconds.

[ccrocker58]

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Thanks so much for taking the time to actually analyze all that! A few questions though;

-For Assize and SoS, should I be using them as soon as they're available to use, or save them? Last night I was effectively keeping SoS on CD, but was still often running very low on MP by the time faust was down. Assize however I'm not really sure about.

-For asylum, what is the best time to use it? It seems some are sayng to use it for group healing, while some are saying to use it for the MT. Personally, using it to healup the group after an AoE seems like a somewhat better use of it, but should I expect casters/ranged to move into it, or should I expect them to stay put to keep DPS up?

-For the second set of adds, how many adds should the healer be tanking? If she is supposed to be taking so little damage that she needs no healing...I'm assuming something isn't being done right as last night her health was dropping like a rock during those. I know my first time in I was on generators and for the second pull I grabbed only one. Also, who should be on generators in general? The first few times with another healer they had me on generators so they could maintain DPS.

[GeekMatt]

In addition to Dreamweaver's fantastic advice, I'll throw in--In my first PF attempt of this fight the DRK MT's HP spiked so much that he'd go from full to dead in about the time it took me to cast an Aspected Helios and then a Bene II on him. In PF/RF fights after that I never had this issue, even with a SCH DPSing pretty much full time, which makes me think my MT in the first try was super-squish (to be fair it was his first time too, and he probably wasn't geared well). Make sure you and your tank are aware of the points of spike damage and you're both doing your part. If there is a particular point where you're struggling with heals, ask the co-healer to help out there until you've got a better feel for it.

As for MP, it has everything to do with learning the fight and using the least MP to affectively keep everyone alive, and it is not necessary to have everyone at 100% all the time, let regens do their job.

[technole]

For the 2nd set of adds it's advisable that the off-tank put their generator down first before the healer does, that way they don't get the multiple adds.

[Fernosaur]

Tell your Scholar that he should Whispering Dawn with Rouse much more. It doesn't even need to be for the party, just on the MT + him/herself when they're tanking ads. I do that in our group and my AST friend doesn't even need to put a regen on me, and I never even have to drop CS.

Whispering Dawn is the biggest reason to bring Eos, they need to learn to use her more!

[Oneavi]

Thanks so much for taking the time to actually analyze all that! A few questions though;

-For Assize and SoS, should I be using them as soon as they're available to use, or save them? Last night I was effectively keeping SoS on CD, but was still often running very low on MP by the time faust was down. Assize however I'm not really sure about.

-For asylum, what is the best time to use it? It seems some are sayng to use it for group healing, while some are saying to use it for the MT. Personally, using it to healup the group after an AoE seems like a somewhat better use of it, but should I expect casters/ranged to move into it, or should I expect them to stay put to keep DPS up?

-For the second set of adds, how many adds should the healer be tanking? If she is supposed to be taking so little damage that she needs no healing...I'm assuming something isn't being done right as last night her health was dropping like a rock during those. I know my first time in I was on generators and for the second pull I grabbed only one. Also, who should be on generators in general? The first few times with another healer they had me on generators so they could maintain DPS.

1: You should be using both assize and shroud on cooldown. Assize should be on cooldown very early, do something like aero iii > aero ii > aero > assize with your aero iii timed to hit the boss right as the tank does. Shroud you should pop as soon as you can, without wasting any of the refresh. Assize should be burned in c-stance whenever possible (preferably on adds) for the rest of the fight if you're confident, until then just use it for aoe healing whenever possible.

2. So your clear time for Refurbisher was 460 seconds, approximately. That means you get 5 uses of asylum over the fight. You should go over the fight's damage timeline and figure out where you think you need the most boost to either tank or aoe healing, and then think about how to get the most out of your 5 uses. You're right in that using it for group healing is absolutely better than on the tank in most cases, however you lose out a lot if you aren't making the most of every cast.

3. Your scholar should be doing generators, possibly with the offtank although I've heard of groups having the scholar do it by themselves? At most you should be doing one though. For the second set of adds, the scholar should tank maybe one tops. My group has our offtank grab everything but I'm pretty sure that's not the optimal strat.

If you have the capability to stream or record video, I'd also be happy to take a look at a recording of your play and give a more elaborate breakdown of what you could be doing. It's hard to offer generalized suggestions because our job is so very situational. A play by play analysis may help to break down your actions and really get to the heart of what you can do to improve.