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  1. #301
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    I doubt SE would ever been this transparent about the cash shop but imo the cash shop provides the following resources, it's what allowed European Servers to exist, physical merchandise to be made and Fanfest to occur. If you just went by the subscription alone and did nothing else to gain support from the fanbase odds are there would be no funds allocated to do the above, especially the next big change, server upgrades with the dropping of the ps3.

    Though I am pretty sure at one point they did comment how it's the cash shop that does help support the drive to do fanfest because when they see the support of fans purchasing merchandise for the game and gaining in-game items, it shows there is a market in which they will be able to sell out tickets for their fanfest.
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  2. #302
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ametrine View Post
    It just makes you sound like jerks towards those of us who don't mind vanity items in the cash shop, or can budget money into it.


    Why do people feel like the existence of a cash shop is somehow taking advantage of them? How is having the option of putting more money into SE hurting us all as players?
    You feel so dedicated to giving SE money for overpriced stuff because it will help the game. Why are you under that impression anyway? What if that money is going into future dlc for FFXV? And there's no excuse for the price of this new dress yet again at 18 bucks. Nobody is stupid enough to think these are actually worth that amount surely? I get it, you are supporting the game but at the same time you are also supporting more of this shite in the future. Why does every person or nearly everyone have to say "i'd pay a good amount of money for that" All you do is get SE to make the price high.
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  3. #303
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    SE is a company and a company is always looking for ways to make more money and that is where the itemshop comes into the game. I mean its not that anyone of you would do it in a different way if you would be in SE's place.

    You pay the monthly fees for a very good working game with content updates in regular intervals and not more.

    But yes i think most of the things in the IS are way to expensive and thats why i don't buy them especially since there are enough good looking glamours ingame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Good talk, all. Glad we had it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunafreya View Post
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    If you mean the Korean dress, if it works like the Chinese dress, then we're actually already getting it a smidgen cheaper than what the Koreans paid for it. Which was originally meant to be exclusive to them so as to make up for censorship elsewhrere. Now imagine if they lost that exclusivity, and then the people who took that exclusivity from them got it a LOT cheaper than what they paid for it. Do you think that'd go down well with the Chinese/Korean censored games? You think we're kicking up a fuss about it, oh we'd be tame compared to what they would let out.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  5. #305
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    If you mean the Korean dress, if it works like the Chinese dress, then we're actually already getting it a smidgen cheaper than what the Koreans paid for it. Which was originally meant to be exclusive to them so as to make up for censorship elsewhrere. Now imagine if they lost that exclusivity, and then the people who took that exclusivity from them got it a LOT cheaper than what they paid for it. Do you think that'd go down well with the Chinese/Korean censored games? You think we're kicking up a fuss about it, oh we'd be tame compared to what they would let out.
    I don't understand why them being exclusive to a region means it has to be high in the first place. That's why I feel mogstation is overpriced. I could get 3 premium costumes in a fighting game like street fighter for not even 7 dollars.

    Not to sound like a jerk or anything but it is YOUR money and you are free to do whatever you want with it but there are some of us who think this stuff isn't worth it at this price and think rationally.
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    Last edited by Lunafreya; 11-02-2016 at 10:05 AM.

  6. #306
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    SE is a company, it exists to make money. That's what the cash shop is for. You'll pay it, so they'll charge it.

    If anyone thinks an entity that only exists to part you from your money is being truthful when it says 'you only get this' and 'you only get that' because they added a layer of not so micro-transactions over a layer of subscription costs over a foundation of base game and expansion pack costs, well... I don't know what to say to that.
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  7. #307
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunafreya View Post
    I don't understand why them being exclusive to a region means it has to be high in the first place. That's why I feel mogstation is overpriced. I could get 3 premium costumes in a fighting game like street fighter for not even 7 dollars.

    Not to sound like a jerk or anything but it is YOUR money and you are free to do whatever you want with it but there are some of us who think this stuff isn't worth it at this price and think rationally.
    We're paying around the same price they paid in the exclusive regions for something that wasn't originally supposed to come to us in the first place. I won't be buying it (I use way too much fantasia and without a way to change the gender of the item without purchasing it again, I'm not paying $40, sorry). That said, I understand why they did it, even if it is too expensive for my taste.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  8. #308
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    yes yes it's overpriced but daaaamn...that dress though *opens wallet*cries*
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  9. #309
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    Well, at the end of the day, this debate will never have a consensus. It's basically akin to forcing somebody else to like a particular brand of beer; that's not gonna happen.

    My rationale: SE is a company that exists to make money. They are not a charity. It is a listed company existing for the purpose of making money and to generate returns to its shareholders. That's how the world works.
    If it's not making money, investors pull out funds, the company runs into financial problems and the game goes bust.

    The items in the cash shop are called "OPTIONAL ITEMS" in capital letters. Nobody is forcing you to purchase it.Even if its $200, $500, if there is somebody paying it, that item will be there. If the price is too high, nobody is going to buy it and prices will then have to be adjusted back based on demand and the realization that the consumers are not going to stomach those prices. The only question is - where exactly is this value where the consumer says "it is too much to stomach".

    SE is not FORCING anybody to buy OPTIONAL ITEMS. You can choose to buy it, you can choose NOT to buy it. At the end of the day, you the consumer have a choice. If you're not happy, SE cannot force you to loosen your purse strings; you can choose to leave the game, terminate the subscription; boycott the company's products' nobody is stopping you, because that is YOUR CHOICE as well.

    If you choose to pay for it, it is because you feel it adds a form of satisfaction to your gaming experience.
    Freedom of choice is the operative word here. Nobody is forcing you to pay what you feel is overpriced or underpriced.

    If you find the item overpriced, that is subjective, it is YOUR view/perspective relative to your surrounding circumstances, it may not be so for ANOTHER person who may find it reasonable. By insisting incessantly that X item is overpriced, it is akin to trying to force your opinion on others who have exactly this freedom of choice and opinion to feel that they are satisfied with what they paid for.

    These X items are overpriced / mogstation is overpriced threads just need to be clamped and closed. Full of rants by people masquerading as warriors of social and corporate justice when all they are thinking of is imposing their one sided opinions on others and hoping to somehow convert more people to their cause. Just stop playing the game if it causes so much angst. It's not worth paying the monthly subscription just so you can say you're a paying customer unhappy with the cash shop; bring your business elsewhere as many have suggested.
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    Last edited by Blim; 11-02-2016 at 10:52 AM.

  10. #310
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celef View Post
    Anti CS players warned you about that when it began and we were told to shut up because "it's just optional and there is no exclusive content in it".
    Now we have exclusive mounts, exclusive glam and look, xp bonuses....
    You wanted the CS, so deal with it now -_-
    Ah man. I'm sure a handful of people loudly yelling on the forum would have convinced them they didn't need more money. If only people didn't disagree with you?

    Darn.



    I'm so upset.
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