Mog Station is overpriced.

[Ametrine]

It just makes you sound like jerks towards those of us who don't mind vanity items in the cash shop, or can budget money into it.

We all support the game with a subscription. Some of us take it further with the cash shop or merchandise. Some even go to fanfest or bought the streams. It's all the same thing! We're buying the content we want, and not buying what we don't!

Why do people feel like the existence of a cash shop is somehow taking advantage of them? How is having the option of putting more money into SE hurting us all as players?

[Kaurie]

It just makes you sound like jerks towards those of us who don't mind vanity items in the cash shop, or can budget money into it.

We all support the game with a subscription. Some of us take it further with the cash shop or merchandise. Some even go to fanfest or bought the streams. It's all the same thing! We're buying the content we want, and not buying what we don't!

Why do people feel like the existence of a cash shop is somehow taking advantage of them? How is having the option of putting more money into SE hurting us all as players?

I don't feel it is taking advantage of me, because I don't take part in it. I feel that they are moving more and more into a hybrid business model, where they have micro-transactions as well as subs. Micro-transactions, typically, were reserved for free games. This method seems like double-dipping, so-to-speak. I personally see very little reason to pay twice for stuff, and am encouraged more and more to go play Guild Wars 2 or Wildstar. Even in Wildstar, you can change your race without real money. In Guild Wars 2, you can purchase anything on the cash shop with real money or gold. Both games have better systems towards their consumers, and before you ask, the main reason why i am not over there is because my friends play here.

In terms of your question, if you agree with that, then why don't you donate more money? At what point does giving Square more money go from being beneficial to too much?

Oh obfuscation. Neither "joke" was in response to anyone. Both characterized people using the cash shop ("us") as being gullible. "Clueless idiot" worked fine as convenient shorthand. Want to know my problem? People keep trying to make this discussion un-nuanced and tribal.

Fair enough. I wouldn't say gullible, so much as naive, to be honest. I think that it is naive to accept the explanation that the cash shop paid for Europe servers. Undoubtedly, the money was already available. I do admit there is a possibility that the higher ups agreed to putting money into EU servers, only if the dev team could provide increased revenue through a cash shop. I wouldn't say the money from the cash shop is going to the servers though, especially as those servers are up and running, and new items and higher prices are continuously added.

I'll admit, the tone of the post you responded to did seem condescending, though.

[AstralKaos]

I'll admit, the tone of the post you responded to did seem condescending, though.

There's no condescending intention in my post, I can assure you of that. I don't need to be condescending to say something I wish to say, which is evident in my first post in this topic where I call those believing that cash shop earnings get put back into this game decently are "gullible fools".

And for the record, I have used the cash shop myself for Fantasia's and one outfit, YET I hold the opinion that it shouldn't be here when it's still a sub MMO. And that the prices and content quality are absurd - can't dye, some are multi-slot taking, not account-wide etc etc. My use of it that one time does make me a hypocrite, sure, but I don't for one second delude myself into thinking it will fund anything substantial nor does it mean said item wouldn't be here without it.

[Lunafreya]

It just makes you sound like jerks towards those of us who don't mind vanity items in the cash shop, or can budget money into it.


Why do people feel like the existence of a cash shop is somehow taking advantage of them? How is having the option of putting more money into SE hurting us all as players?

You feel so dedicated to giving SE money for overpriced stuff because it will help the game. Why are you under that impression anyway? What if that money is going into future dlc for FFXV? And there's no excuse for the price of this new dress yet again at 18 bucks. Nobody is stupid enough to think these are actually worth that amount surely? I get it, you are supporting the game but at the same time you are also supporting more of this shite in the future. Why does every person or nearly everyone have to say "i'd pay a good amount of money for that" All you do is get SE to make the price high.

[Paladinleeds]

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If you mean the Korean dress, if it works like the Chinese dress, then we're actually already getting it a smidgen cheaper than what the Koreans paid for it. Which was originally meant to be exclusive to them so as to make up for censorship elsewhrere. Now imagine if they lost that exclusivity, and then the people who took that exclusivity from them got it a LOT cheaper than what they paid for it. Do you think that'd go down well with the Chinese/Korean censored games? You think we're kicking up a fuss about it, oh we'd be tame compared to what they would let out.

[Lunafreya]

If you mean the Korean dress, if it works like the Chinese dress, then we're actually already getting it a smidgen cheaper than what the Koreans paid for it. Which was originally meant to be exclusive to them so as to make up for censorship elsewhrere. Now imagine if they lost that exclusivity, and then the people who took that exclusivity from them got it a LOT cheaper than what they paid for it. Do you think that'd go down well with the Chinese/Korean censored games? You think we're kicking up a fuss about it, oh we'd be tame compared to what they would let out.

I don't understand why them being exclusive to a region means it has to be high in the first place. That's why I feel mogstation is overpriced. I could get 3 premium costumes in a fighting game like street fighter for not even 7 dollars.

Not to sound like a jerk or anything but it is YOUR money and you are free to do whatever you want with it but there are some of us who think this stuff isn't worth it at this price and think rationally.

[Paladinleeds]

I don't understand why them being exclusive to a region means it has to be high in the first place. That's why I feel mogstation is overpriced. I could get 3 premium costumes in a fighting game like street fighter for not even 7 dollars.

Not to sound like a jerk or anything but it is YOUR money and you are free to do whatever you want with it but there are some of us who think this stuff isn't worth it at this price and think rationally.

We're paying around the same price they paid in the exclusive regions for something that wasn't originally supposed to come to us in the first place. I won't be buying it (I use way too much fantasia and without a way to change the gender of the item without purchasing it again, I'm not paying $40, sorry). That said, I understand why they did it, even if it is too expensive for my taste.

[Jandor]

SE is a company, it exists to make money. That's what the cash shop is for. You'll pay it, so they'll charge it.

If anyone thinks an entity that only exists to part you from your money is being truthful when it says 'you only get this' and 'you only get that' because they added a layer of not so micro-transactions over a layer of subscription costs over a foundation of base game and expansion pack costs, well... I don't know what to say to that.