RIP Minion Collectors :(

[Talraen]

While I am personally of the belief that nothing should ever be exclusive or limited, that's clearly not how this game was designed, and that's fine. (And I say that as a 1.0 player with a whole bunch of stuff most of the population can currently never get.) But let's not pretend it's some weird thing to want to get 100% completion in a game. It's so ubiquitous, plenty of games actually have a % meter, and half of the premise of Undertale is about how players feel obligated to do everything in a game.

And I do find it disingenuous that SE includes minions in expensive purchases and then turns around and does this. Well, either that, or foolish - I agree with some early posters that I think the number of people buying plushies and live streams for minions is going to drop precipitously as a result.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

What was the brainstorm session for this?

Dev 1: Hey, PvP is still unpopular, people doesn't seem motivated by one time exclusive rewards... Any ideas to solve this?
Dev 2: Well, if we want to motivate more players to try pvp, how about we give them EVEN MORE one time exclusive rewards?
Dev 1: You think more of them will work if after 2 seasons they havent joined..?
Dev 2: This time they will work, because, we will make them... A mount and a minion.
*Dev 1 and 2 grin as the office grows dark*

[Mugiawara]

My problem is that they try various ways to get people to do PvP and only like 1% of people give a rat's behind about it.
If you make PvP more enjoyable instead of a Zerg Rush, mindless zombie dance off with 5 skills then maybe people will care.
PvP is this games weakest of all content and it needs to be seriously thought through.
Front Lines was a good idea, they need to take a look at their other Team focused PvP game called Fantasy Earth Zero
[Being one of my fave mmos before shutting down and my fave PvP game ever.] and see what they can do.

[Colino]

Minion collecting is one of the most fun and interesting things that has kept me hooked on the game, and now they're making it literally impossible for me to have them all.

Please, PLEASE re-think this SE.

To the people that don't get it: It's not the fact that it's an "exclusive" reward (which is absolutely fine and the top PvP players deserve something to commend this), it's the fact that they're using minions for this which up until now have never been exclusive. They're meant to be casually fun to collect (or incentives for product purchases).

Asking SE to reconsider content so you can satisfy your mental condition of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is just silly. You, and your obsessiveness with pointless, fluff content, is what hurts this game. If you like minions thats fine, but demanding developers alter content because of a mental problem you have is just ridiculous. What is the point in owning every minion anyways? What does it get you? They do nothing but follow you around. What has this world come to.

What does having a billion gil get you? What does having the best gear and clearing raids get you? It's all about your own personal satisfaction, saying others have a "mental disorder" because they set their bars and goals differently to yours is utter lunacy. Try to be less of a dick and enjoy what you enjoy doing without thinking you're better than everyone else because they don't like the same exact things you do.

Oh please, you don't even have the wind up dalamud or wind up bahamut, both of which were limited time only minions so your collection would never be 100% anyways. I can guarantee you and many others who are complaining about this "ruining your collection" don't have anywhere close to full collections.

I do, as do lots of others, so that argument in itself is not valid. I am literally one of those idiots that has thrown money at them for almost everything and have more than 200 minions, none of the ones I'm missing are unobtainable but that will obviously be the case soon. I'll move on and accept it but a bit of understanding from people that like to act like tough guys on the internet would be cool since we're part of the same community and all.

[PotatoTree]

I currently have every single "limited time" mount/minion, so if I spent the time/money I could possibly be 100% complete. I guess this minion/mount would be the one that stops my collecting. I can definitely make it to top 100 for solo, but there's no way I can spend enough time to get to top 10, and there is even less chance I'll be able to find a pvp team that would want to spend the time in the group queue.

And even if someone was super good at PvP, it'll be hard to get top 10 in both solo and ranked. In Aether, no player was in both top 10s this round, so even the best players have a hard time doing so. Basically even if you are top 10 material, it's possible that one colour variant is out of your reach unless you take a vacation month from work or something.

I guess collecting was fun while it lasted, but time to call it quits. I usually stop caring/playing once completion becomes impossible.

[kuma_aus]

I don't see how this is that much different from people not being able to get Wind-up Bahamut and Wind-up Dalamud. I will never get those 2 minions and the many others from promotions like them and it is upsetting but at the same time I don't mind that much. The thing that makes these minions better than other limited time only minions is that it's skill based as well and not only time based.

And no, this is nothing like who can get good RNG better than others like the bird collecting example in the second post. It's who can do PvP better than others.

[Welsper59]

I do, as do lots of others, so that argument in itself is not valid. I am literally one of those idiots that has thrown money at them for almost everything and have more than 200 minions, none of the ones I'm missing are unobtainable but that will obviously be the case soon. I'll move on and accept it but a bit of understanding from people that like to act like tough guys on the internet would be cool since we're part of the same community and all.

Just to clarify something, understanding someones position on their subjective wants is not a point of value to the topic. What is a point of argument though is claiming that they can't do something to their own game that goes against what you think should or should not be a thing. To the shortsighted individual, that point ends at "how does them adding it to PvP make us happy when most won't get it?" whereas the broader perspective continues to "why should they be obligated to cater to every little criticism against a decision some players may enjoy, but these loud individuals don't?"

I can sympathize with the idea of collection being stunted, but I'm also of the mind to know that it doesn't matter in the end. Are you going to add your collection efforts to your job resume? Are you going to use this as bragging rights when you play other games? Will your achievement of collecting bring you lasting value long after you stop playing this game? Chances are, the answer is either "no" or "not really". You at least understand that you'll move on, so point to you on it.

Collecting in a video game is a means to a direct end. There is no real inherent value, as opposed to collecting IRL, which at least has resale value usually. To you, the individual, the ability to collect every single thing to accomplish your goal may mean a lot, but that doesn't mean the devs are obligated to listen to you or those like you. Clearly, their decision to add those rewards to limited PvP achievements contradicts any made up notion that those goods are not "meant" or "designed" to be gotten in a specific manner that some folks have been spouting. Any meaningful argument against it is just typical complaining.

Again, I can sympathize, but the complaining about every little thing does get tiring. It'd be nice to see more people understand that and realize that not everything is going to go their way in a game that is not designed for you or me or anyone specific in every single way possible, thus understand the concept of compromise, but it's quite rare.

I guess collecting was fun while it lasted, but time to call it quits. I usually stop caring/playing once completion becomes impossible.

If you mean this in a way that you don't care to go that extra mile anymore, but don't mind the minions in general given your hobby, then welcome to the realist club. Where unreasonable expectations are expected to fail sooner or later. If you meant it as though you're trying to say screw minions entirely, given the previous hobby of collecting them, then lol.

[PotatoTree]

If you mean this in a way that you don't care to go that extra mile anymore, but don't mind the minions in general given your hobby, then welcome to the realist club. Where unreasonable expectations are expected to fail sooner or later. If you meant it as though you're trying to say screw minions entirely, given the previous hobby of collecting them, then lol.

Lol extra mile? More like extra thousand miles. You realise the amount of people that have a chance at both the solo and party minion can probably be counted on one hand? There is no amount of PvP even an above average PvPer can do to get both here.

I do agree things don't have to go my way nor is anyone obligated to care about the minion collectors, but you have to agree that we don't have to be happy about it, and we obviously don't have to pay/play if we aren't having fun right?

but I'm also of the mind to know that it doesn't matter in the end. Are you going to add your collection efforts to your job resume? Are you going to use this as bragging rights when you play other games? Will your achievement of collecting bring you lasting value long after you stop playing this game? Chances are, the answer is either "no" or "not really". You at least understand that you'll move on, so point to you on it.

I don't really get it when people make this argument. Everything we do in this game is completely pointless, and probably some things/everything in life depending on your world view. What matters is what's fun to us, especially when playing a game. I mean think about it this way, what if instead of a trial/raid/dungeon next patch we instead get Verminion expansion pack? I love verminion, I wouldn't mind. If you don't like verminion, you'd probably complain, and maybe quit. Would you like it if I came up to you and said who cares this game wont be on your job resume and won't bring you lasting value, just move on? I guess maybe you won't care, but you could see how some people would be extremely unhappy with this argument right? Just cause collecting minions is not fun to you doesn't mean someone doesn't care about it.

[Aviars]

Makes you wonder what is ok to make a exclusive reward in PvP.

[Morningstar1337]

Dalamud, Cait Sith and Bahamut meant that all attempts at a complete collection are inherently futile. And the Yo-kai Watch minions the Primogs and Excalibur minions would be added to this list for players that joined later. So I'd still be collecting minions regardless.

The thing is, this was inevitable that they would add more time gated minions. The more a game gets updated, the more things are gonna be added and the more likely that it will be impossible to get all the things. There isn't much that could change that. A good example would be the Trading card games such as Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic, where the individual cards would number in the thousands at best and the millions at worst (plus some very rare cards as well)