Dear Tanks That Aren't Me

[Axxion]

I can't think of a time I've wanted to strangle a DRK that I was tanking with.[/QUOTE]

But not all DRK are the same lol. If you have the aggro ill let you have. Positives less money on repairs.

[Daemius]

I dislike the inefficiency of WAR or DRK MTing when there's a PLD in the duty (me) but if they throw up Grit or Defiance before I get ShO up then I know what I'm doing and don't try to fight it. It's better than the aggro ping pong game.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

DPS wise, it's better to let the WAR/DRK tank anyway, since PLD has nothing really going for it aggressively when it comes to being MT. Though for a WAR to MT, it's best if the warrior is competent. Unrelated, but am I the only one that gets annoyed when a WAR pulls in defiance without Unchained?

[SpookyGhost]

The problem with DRK MT / PLD OT is that Royal Authority has Savage Blade attached to it, so eventually the DRK is going to need to do at least 1 more Power Slash. oGCD-wise DRK is definitely better, even if we're just talking about Reprisal since it's a -10% damage debuff as well as a 210 potency hit. I personally prefer WAR pulling over both in 24mans, simply because even though you'll lose Reprisal/Low Blow Procs/Shield Swipe, you'll gain a MT who won't lose hate to anyone as well as Berserk buffed Vengeance ticks. Obviously ideally the WAR pulls and then there's a swap, but that's not happening in a 24man raid.

Anyway what I usually do is just check what the other two tanks' stances are and if they're both in tank stance then I just chill in Deliverance for ~10s. If they haven't started a countdown by then, I start mine, and pull at 0. If they pull off me, I let them have it. Pretty simple system, has worked for me every time since Crystal tower.

[NolLacnala]

Dear DPS who aren't me

Please push all the buttons. Especially you, afk Forgall autoattacker. I see you there.

But I like watching tanks fight for that MT epeen in 24-mans. There's not nearly enough of that since 3.0.

Current mhach meta is pull Calo to a wall and face her sideways for dat sweet 99.9% field cleave

[Lambdafish]

I dislike the inefficiency of WAR or DRK MTing when there's a PLD in the duty (me)

Honestly? Any content that this could possibly happen in and it not be resolved is so easy that the inefficiency is negligable. This is presumably DF content, so the fight can easily be main tanked by a WAR or DRK and the PLD being OT isn't much of a loss. If this happened in current PF content, wow, I would leave that group fast, then log off the game and question my life choices.

[Genaxx]

Titled because I'm sure everyone thinks it.

If I run in first, grab the boss, hit it with Overpower/Flash/Whatever DRKs do and I'm in Defiance/Shield Oath/Whatever DRKs do, I'm intending to tank it. Unless there is a boss switch mechanic that happens within two seconds of the pull, don't try to take it from me.

You're just going to get people killed. Probably me when I haven't realized what you've moronically done so I don't expect Titan to pound me over the edge.

Love,
Fluttershy Sparkle
The One Who Pulled in Defiance/Sword Oath/Whatever DRKs Do

[OMGAFLYINGPENGUIN]

But I like watching tanks fight for that MT epeen in 24-mans. There's not nearly enough of that since 3.0.

Wow tanks trying to take the aggro spot is actually a thing? Wow..for as long as I can recall I have never encountered that in a 24man raid, especially with WC.

[Claire_Pendragon]

It's not that bad, no, but it's hardly more efficient to facepull and Overpower a single target rather than Tomahawk to establish early aggro and then go into your single target aggro combo.

How I read that;

It's not that bad, no, but it's hardly more efficient to use a "x5 threat" AoE move for 10 more TP, Rather a "x3 threat" single target for 10 less TP, just to establish early aggro by 0.01s-1s (Even at the cost of threat) and then go into your single target aggro combo.

In 24 man content, this is more likely to be what you encounter, but in Savage content, you want everyone hitting the enemy the exact moment you do. With no seconds in between. (Granted current Savage content is far easier on DPS requirements.)

I feel the better argument is that they may or may not need that extra 10 TP later. Since "establish early agrro" is going to be done with the same level of effectiveness wiht their strategy, if not more, as is clearly taught to lower level players, when AoEs generate more threat per GCD than a combo can. (Sucks SE doesnt try to teach players properly from the start)

[MrsFluffyButt]

Wow tanks trying to take the aggro spot is actually a thing? Wow..for as long as I can recall I have never encountered that in a 24man raid, especially with WC.

Aye, but you're not on a NA or EU server. You have it lucky