REQUEST: Can we have both /changepose Poses?

[CosmicKirby]

If you see a woman glued to a unicorn and its how she is seated that damages your suspension of reality, and not the unicorn.... I'm afraid we are to far apart to see eye to eye.

*Sigh*
I don't know how people don't get that there's a tangible difference in the suspension of disbelief for something like "magic" working in a piece of fiction, and things just being jarring.


So we all know how Hauchefrant died right? A massive spear of lightning to the chest, blood spilled from his lips, and even though we have resurrection magic, he died and it's 'believable' right? It's believable that a hit like that can and should kill an Elezen.
Imagine if next patch. Thancred is in a sword fight, and just takes a sword right in the bottom of his jaw, and it runs all the way through his skull, through his brain, and out of the top of his head, in gory detail. He then proceeds to pull the sword out of his head, and act like nothing is wrong. And despite people seeing it, no-one ever brings it up ever again, and in-fact people go on to say he's just a normal Hyur.

There's an element of consistency in suspension of disbelief. I can believe that Dragoons can jump because you see it, a lot. It's an established thing, they are KNOWN for it. There's no known lore that lets a woman's butt glue itself to a horse, and considering physics seems to work about as one would expect it to, (gravity, velocity, friction, etc.) it's a bit disjointing that it just 'is', and thus to a lot of people it looks wrong.

Is it a nitpick? Yes, it is. But it's not an invalid observation.
Given the time for attention to detail, adding detailed and consistent riding animations would be really neat. Just deciding to remove unicorns because unicorns aren't real wouldn't be neat at all.

See the difference?

[Zojha]

I would argue working with limitations creates the illusion of variety.

It doesn't even do that. Limitations objectively hamper variety - that's simply a mathematical fact. If you have 2 races with 1 Head, 1 Body, 1 Arm and 1 Leg option each, you have exactly 2 unique combinations. If you cull the racial limitation, both races suddenly have 2 Head, 2 Body, 2 Arm and 2 Leg options leading to a possible total of 16 unique combinations. That's "a tad" more. Every limitation reduces variety, full stop. There's not an argument to make here. It's a fact.

Limitations are in the realm of flavor - You could have Hyurs with dragon heads and it would add variety (since Hyurs get 1 more head option that multiplies with the other body options to over a dozen new Hyur combinations from just one addition), but it might look silly. Hence, dragon heads are limited to dragons. This is the only thing you can argue for when it comes to limitations. But I personally don't think these animations would look silly on the other gender at all - and that is an opinion.

[Cherub]

I want female WHM pose for my manqote...... It's rly cute

[autumn]

Agreed OP!

Haven't read the thread, but there's definitely some poses I'd love to use.

[Felis]

I would argue working with limitations creates the illusion of variety. Every female has the same pose. Every male has the same pose. The only variety is the variety between male and female, it's boolean Male = True, pose 1. How is that variety?

I think I quote myself to this

Instead of getting old /cpose on both genders, how about alternative new poses for both genders?
I mean really new, not a silly gender swap

[ErikMynhier]

*Sigh*
See the difference?

I see you starting your argument with a passive-aggressive emote expressing how exasperated you are at my stupid. Sort of a cheap way to start and doesn't lend you much credibility. You may think you need the boost to your stance, and you do. To sit there and state that a physical stance that is by the way physically possible is somehow more disruptive to your suspension of reality then magic is a very weak argument.

See the difference? ^-^

[CosmicKirby]

I see you starting your argument with a passive-aggressive emote expressing how exasperated you are at my stupid. Sort of a cheap way to start and doesn't lend you much credibility. You may think you need the boost to your stance, and you do. To sit there and state that a physical stance that is by the way physically possible is somehow more disruptive to your suspension of reality then magic is a very weak argument.

See the difference? ^-^

Well: I wrote this prior post after a full shift had me leaving work at 3am, so it's a bit more enthusiastic than usual. That being said, being (admittedly) rude doesn't lessen credibility, my argument stands whether or not it was stated in proper decor.

I do apologize that it was taken directly, as I'm, more exhausted at the argument itself; that one can't find flaws in minor physical details in a piece of fantasy media, simply because fantastical elements exist alongside the typical ones.

Do you have a response to this argument in particular?

[Saito_S]

I see you starting your argument with a passive-aggressive emote expressing how exasperated you are at my stupid. Sort of a cheap way to start and doesn't lend you much credibility. You may think you need the boost to your stance, and you do. To sit there and state that a physical stance that is by the way physically possible is somehow more disruptive to your suspension of reality then magic is a very weak argument.

See the difference? ^-^

No, it's not a weak argument. Cosmic's response perhaps has an unnecessary air of condescension, which they acknowledged in the more recent post; nevertheless, they are right. Magic isn't disruptive to one's suspension of disbelief in a world where magic is said to exist. That's part of the premise of the world. So it's no problem.

When it comes to suspension of disbelief in fantasy an sci-fi, strict "realism", per se, really isn't that important, on its own. What is important are "believably" and "internal consistency." Magic still isn't "realistic" but it is believable within the framework of the world that has been set up. Warp drive and hyperspace, in Star Trek and Star Wars respectively, are both whackadoodle nonsense if you examine them with a critical eye and try to apply real science to them, but that doesn't matter. Both of those settings have "faster-than-light travel is possible using tech that is beyond the understanding of real-life modern humans" baked into the setting. So we don't need to know exactly HOW it works to accept that it works. Same with magic in a fantasy setting like XIV. The horse-riding thing, on the other hand, is just a thing that happens for no reason. It uses an element that, unlike magic, is directly taken from the real world (in this case, horseback riding), and then suddenly something absurd is done with it. There's nothing baked into the setting of XIV that would account for it.

So THAT'S the difference. A fantastical element which is an acknowledged part of the setting, which may be "unrealistic" but is used believably and consistently within the setting (usually; it's not like XIV NEVER makes an error in terms of that consistency, but that's beside the point), versus something that is an element directly taken from the real world and then is suddenly used in a nonsensical way with no explanation.

Is it of SUPREME importance? No. As has also been acknowledged, it's a nitpick, but that doesn't change anything. As Cosmic said, one can find flaws in the details of a world with fantastical elements and critique those flaws. Being fantasy (or sci-fi) isn't a license to just do whatever you want with no explanation.

[Saito_S]

And with all that stuff about suspension of disbelief, I forgot to actually say anything else about the topic!

I think I quote myself to this

The only thing that's "silly" is the idea that poses and stances are gendered. There was no good reason for them to be gender-locked in the first place. As to removing these restrictions vs. adding new poses, how about both? Considering that new emotes, dances, etc. get added periodically anyway, and we will probably continue to see more, and considering the minimum amount of work required to allow all players to access all existing emotes and poses regardless of gender, it really doesn't need to be one or the other.

I mean... surely more variety is good? To be honest, the idea that anyone is legitimately against opening up battle stances and other emotes so that there is no longer a gender-lock on them is baffling.

[Ametrine]

I'm a bit shocked that my mini-rant on bad posture while horseback turned into a legit debate.


To add, the entire idea gender locked poses as some of us prefer the opposite ones is a nitpicky annoyance in itself.

I wouldn't call it a QoL change, but I'd certainly want it.