Just some toughts from (relativly) new player

[cr00cy]

Hi everyone its 1st tiem im posting here. I started playign ff xiv like 3 months ago and so far im finding mor e things to like than to dislike.

The ones i like most is story, and that every class i played so far feels diffrent than others. Also crafting.

What i dislake most is that there is little customnization for classes - from what i seen so far every warrior will have the same stat distribution and the same cross-class skills.
Also crafting (when i faill several 90% succes chance actions in row).

I also would liek to say that Dark Knight 30-50 story was one of best stories in mmo i ever saw. Really, devs did wonderfull job on this one.

So yeh, ahve nice day everyone, and see you in game.

[KitingGenbu]

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As Yoshida once said in an interview, "If you want a different way of playing a role, just change classes." I do not personally agree with it, but that's the dev lead's vision, so for now the player base has to deal with it until the game hits a point where a new vision is necessary.

[cammi]

Why do people ask for this stuff? All people will do is follow some meta that is found out by the 1% of players and shun any and everybody who doesn't follow said meta.

[Tam_Hawkins]

Hello Cr00cy,
You will have to live with the bad customisation of classes/jobs in Final I fear.
They made it pretty clear with every patch cicle that they want to take away choice from the player as much as possible.
The moment you take up your Job crystal you will not only be limited to half the number of crossclass skill slots the number of avaiable skills will also decrease quit a bit. somewhere in 2.x the took away the viability of str and dex for additionall defensive strength (dex increased the number of parrys and blocks while str increased the strenght, dex was normally not increased willingly for that, but at least it was possible).
Tanks in the past could choose between a str or vit (or mixed) build depending on how much defence they needed, this changed during 3.x, it is kind of reasonable as tanks were the only class at that point having viable builds and also beeing the only class that needs multiple pieces of equipment depending on the encounter, it still takes away from the customisation of your Job.
Now recently they overhauled sword oath (paladin) in the past you could uncrease the damage done with sword oath by choosing a sword with higher auto attack frecuenzy, the last patch made it so that the frequenzy does no longer matter.

They also already said that they work on the crossclass skills for 4.0 and that they want to make them more specific to the jobs role instead of the job itself and while it is somewhat hard to speculate about this just now I personally would be pretty upset if my stoneskin is going away^^.

For the crafting part, that one is just statistic. You will fail some at 99% you will make some at 1% get a large enough sample size and it will look exactly as the percentage shown to you.

Have fun playing the game,
Tam

[KitingGenbu]

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People say this a lot but its pretty inaccurate. I was able to full clear mythic raids in WoW:WoD with a couple of custom talent builds for my DK and Hunter (more for survivability) rather than said "meta" for each. It really comes down the group of people you work with and not a bunch of randoms.

[Reynhart]

Why do people ask for this stuff? All people will do is follow some meta that is found out by the 1% of players and shun any and everybody who doesn't follow said meta.

Is Diablo II too old that people already forgot the multiple viable builds you could do with each class ?

[cammi]

\o/

I'm saying this as someone who made a speed slayer in Tera when every other slayer was crit and power. And I soloed 90% of Tera with my custom slayer. I'm not saying it doesn't work, what I meant by saying that is it IS pointless. You're right it is about the groups you are going to be running with. And what are 90% of them going to be running? The meta. Want a real world example? The Division. You have all kinds of builds in that game... what do people do? Smart cover or go home. IT's pretty much the meta until it's changed. And even with the update coming up in 2 days people in the chat of State of the game were trying to find a NEW meta. So again I'm not saying you're wrong, but it is pointless as most people want to follow and get instant results instead of trying new things out.And as long as that's the case the meta will be the standard and you will be laughed at if you don't do it. Another example is the dungeon thread on this site. How many times do people on this very game complain about people NOT doing the meta or not doing their job?

I'm not going to hope people will all of a sudden be understanding on going against the meta... as that doesn't happen.

[ADVSS]

to be honest the roles cross class thingy does bpther me, esp for paladin and seeing what they did with bard since 1.x its not looking very happy....

the signs are all there though clemency no need for cc cure(never was one honestly) then divine veil(itsh an aoe stoneskin, why need stoneskin?)

[Loyd64]

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Depending in how stormblood affects the system, before the vitality change, there was some options for tanks, like going full str,vit or both, but that really started to cause problems, beginner players were being told to go full str even though until they started to get good at the game, they should really stay vit for extra mistake hp and less stress on healers, mean while those of us that had almost full vit, found it incredibly hard to hold aggro when gearing up, this honestly caused a split, some tanks wanted to be, you know, tanks, and not care about damage, while others wanted to simply be beefier dps.

Both sides complained, healers complained due to increased stress on them for this whole "str or nothing" meta
This all stemmed from a over tuned savage tier that caused a sever trickle down effect, this caused even newer players to shun paladins, due to lack of damage, even though they were clearly the better tank in terms of mitigation

[Reynhart]

why need stoneskin?

No cooldown and can have effect on the PLD itself.

Like most things coming from 1.x, instead of balancing an interesting system, they switched to a boring one.