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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    I said earlier: "I couldn't care less, if they actually add a jump potion. Myself only wants it for alternate characters anyway."
    You're non the only person in this thread, and I also said earlier that they could make some access accountwide. So, if you're only in for alts, what are you arguing on ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    So I was just asking out of curiosity, 'cause your arguments can be used to demand making everything with story mandatory for accesing future content.
    If a story as consequences on the future, then yes, it should, being part of the MSQ or not. Like 2.0 Hard mode primals...
    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    "FF is about the story. Someone not caring for the story shouldn't play FF. Someone not caring for story is likely not even picking up that game."
    When did I say that ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    on the other hand you say "They need to make some story mandatory, else nobody would do it."...
    Because you already have some idiots pressuring people into skipping every cutscene. If everyhting is skippable, you'll have a majority of people not doing old content and being bored because the game has too little things to justify its subbed. And yes, a change in the mentality can affect the game as a whole, and thus, me.
    Like the fact that the whole "it's too hard" only resulted in boring and easier dungeons since several patches.
    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    It doesn't make sense to be able to clear up to T12, then be able to wait years of in-game time and events passing by (Ishgard joins the alliance, Ala Migho get's freed) and then thinking about finally taking Bahamut down.
    You're right, it doesn't. I still fail to see why "One thing does not makes sense" is a justification for "Let every story make no sense"..."This is already bad, we might as well make it worse"
    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    Well, and still they used that "Sleeping Potion" and that even without the littlest need to do that. Wow, seems like they aren't the best story tellers anyway.
    And everybody was pissed with that lame plot twist. See my point above...
    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    Ok, so there are at least reason backed in the real world, which can lead to story skips being needed, which you would accept.
    Nothing else was Yoshi-P saying when he said: "With growing content, we have to think about how many of those former contents should be mandatory." ---- and all the world goes crazy.
    The point is not what Yoshi-P was saying, but what the OP was asking. i.e new players must have options to do the same content as ours and start the game at level 60.
    And I said, several times, than gating jobs behind MSQ was a bad move in HW, and shouldn't be repeated in SB. However, gating access to a zone like Azys Lla is justified.
    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    They're almost only there for story/lore reasons... 7k xp and a normal quality gauntlet or 5 allagan tin pieces are no real incentive to do a sidequest, are they?
    Of course it is. I did a lot of beastmen quests for my Anima, for obtaining materias, or just when I was bored of doing the same dungeon over and over while leveling alt jobs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    Still people do them enough, aren't they? Most people even seem to do (unsynched) coil, although it's not relevant anymore, beside it's own story and a small dialogue change...
    Actually, Coil was empty before adding the slight link to the MSQ and Wondrous Tails. And you get a lot of second chance points thanks to 1st timers, even people who didn't even bother to do Turn 1 before.
    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    1. Most people play this game for it's story and most of them loves to do content just for the sake of story. If there is story included, most people would even do optional contents. Even if it's not relevant regarding progression anymore, they tend to do those contents at some point, just to see the story. (e.g. Coils)
    2. With the possibility to skip many players will draw on that and only a few people will still do optional story content, which includes the MSQ then and every other content beside weekly tome farm.
    Actually, it does work out. People do Coil now because it's related to the story, story you have to do to gain access to relevant content like EX dungeon. So, for the same to be applied to SB, you'd have to create a 4.x MSQ link to every past trial/dungeon/raid. Good luck writing a story like that without having people facepalming and complaining at all the shoehorning you'd have to do the even make sense...and the fact that'd they'd have to run a dungeon that actually offers nothing relevant at their level.
    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    It's like you have people who pay you so they don't have to see a prequel to your movie.... would you make your sequel intentionally worse because of those people?
    Well, if they frankly tell me that they don't care about respecting lore, timeline and causality, you bet I wouldn't bother to include them in my movie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kurogaea View Post
    the dev team already said it was a whole game's worth of content in the expansion so they're will be plenty of content so they'll get their money's worth.
    HW was also a whole game of content, yet the dev team intended people to clear everything by the time Alex Savage was released, i.e. 4 weeks. After that, the only to do is to grind. If you try to sell me a 4-year old MMO (1.x not counted) where my character progression is only 4 week long before I'm required to repeat things over and over, you're sure I'm gonna find another MMO.
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 10-21-2016 at 07:59 PM.