There Is No Dancer (yet)

[Kaurie]

Or the small fact that there is really no compelling evidence to the Dancer theory. We totally might get a dancer. It has been requested since pretty much 1.0 so it will come sooner than later. But the red woman is a monk. Every single piece of legit evidence points to her being a monk.

Just to be contrarian? More like they wanna point out that there's no legit evidence in favor for the DNC theory other than wild speculation. It's not vindictive to try to temper ones expectations with reality.

I feel this is an exaggeration. There is ample evidence to suggest a Dancer, while not enough to confirm it. It's a perfect amount to create speculation. See my post on page 10 of this thread, http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...8yet%29/page10

Also, note that the evidence points toward her being a Pugilist, not a Monk.

While I have my doubts about it being dancer, it has to be pointed out that the animations she used in the trailer were exclusively pugilist abilities(demolish, snap punch, featherfoot, and fist of wind), so they could go the silly split soulstone route again.

[Balipu]

I feel this is an exaggeration. There is ample evidence to suggest a Dancer, while not enough to confirm it. It's a perfect amount to create speculation. See my post on page 10 of this thread, http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...8yet%29/page10

Also, note that the evidence points toward her being a Pugilist, not a Monk.

Well her glowing chakra and her sparring with a confirmed monk in the land where monks come from is a pretty good indication that she isn't just a Pugilist.

Now look at your points:

For Dancer
A solid 10% of the video focuses on her dancing. This is a pretty significant chunk of time that alludes to a dancer only for Square to back out and say "Got you!"
You mean the warm up excercise that she did before the fight? It can be seen as a dance but we can't rule out that those are just martial arts practice moves. The two don't look that diffferent.
Her movements are clearly more fluid than his (which are quite rigid)
Different martial arts styles maybe? The game has three forms anyway. Or maybe she outclasses the WoL as a monk. Raubahn also does stuff that we can never even dream about as gladiators. Or maybe she is a woman who will obviously not fight the same way as a buff guy.
During the video she uses her feet more and moves around more, while he remains more stationary and punches more
See above.
She has a hidden dagger-type weapon, which is focused on key artwork here and here. While it is possible for a Monk to use this weapon, it's hardly iconic of the Monk job - so why make it such a focus in the artwork?
It isn't an iconic dancer weapon either, so what's your point? The WoL doesn't even have a weapon in the video, which is impossible in the game. Yet he is confirmed to be a monk.
The expansion artwork appears to show 1 of each job in the game (Mind you I've only been able to identify BRD, PLD, DRK, MNK, DRG, NIN only, but have counted 16 jobs - current 13+3. I also suspect that bird above may be Garuda-Egi). Monk is clearly to the ladies right, which either means they have 2 Monks in the image with 1 of every other job (and we're getting 2 new ones), or she is a separate job and we are getting 3 new ones. (or I miscounted?). Also on that note, I see GLD, DRK and two other sword wielding jobs - which suggests the SAM/RDM that we are all expecting.
Way too many "maybe"s. Also, don't read too much into the artwork. We tried that when Heavensward was announced and it didn't really lead to anything.
The Rangers in the summer were said to be "hints" of upcoming jobs. I am not sure on this, but I read somewhere someone said that the Yellow Ranger pose is identical to a Dancer pose in FFXI?
I also read that, but others claim that it only hinted the number of jobs. And I can't find a legit source for either.

Sorry but these points are just grasping at straws. Occam's razor says that we should go with the explanation with the least ammount of assumptions. Dancer only has assumptions, while Monk requires neither.

[Kaurie]

Well her glowing chakra and her sparring with a confirmed monk in the land where monks come from is a pretty good indication that she isn't just a Pugilist.

Now look at your points:

For Dancer
A solid 10% of the video focuses on her dancing. This is a pretty significant chunk of time that alludes to a dancer only for Square to back out and say "Got you!"
You mean the warm up excercise that she did before the fight? It can be seen as a dance but we can't rule out that those are just martial arts practice moves. The two don't look that diffferent.
Her movements are clearly more fluid than his (which are quite rigid)
Different martial arts styles maybe? The game has three forms anyway. Or maybe she outclasses the WoL as a monk. Raubahn also does stuff that we can never even dream about as gladiators. Or maybe she is a woman who will obviously not fight the same way as a buff guy.
During the video she uses her feet more and moves around more, while he remains more stationary and punches more
See above.
She has a hidden dagger-type weapon, which is focused on key artwork here and here. While it is possible for a Monk to use this weapon, it's hardly iconic of the Monk job - so why make it such a focus in the artwork?
It isn't an iconic dancer weapon either, so what's your point? The WoL doesn't even have a weapon in the video, which is impossible in the game. Yet he is confirmed to be a monk.
The expansion artwork appears to show 1 of each job in the game (Mind you I've only been able to identify BRD, PLD, DRK, MNK, DRG, NIN only, but have counted 16 jobs - current 13+3. I also suspect that bird above may be Garuda-Egi). Monk is clearly to the ladies right, which either means they have 2 Monks in the image with 1 of every other job (and we're getting 2 new ones), or she is a separate job and we are getting 3 new ones. (or I miscounted?). Also on that note, I see GLD, DRK and two other sword wielding jobs - which suggests the SAM/RDM that we are all expecting.
Way too many "maybe"s. Also, don't read too much into the artwork. We tried that when Heavensward was announced and it didn't really lead to anything.
The Rangers in the summer were said to be "hints" of upcoming jobs. I am not sure on this, but I read somewhere someone said that the Yellow Ranger pose is identical to a Dancer pose in FFXI?
I also read that, but others claim that it only hinted the number of jobs. And I can't find a legit source for either.

Sorry but these points are just grasping at straws. Occam's razor says that we should go with the explanation with the least ammount of assumptions. Dancer only has assumptions, while Monk requires neither.

Again, appreciate the breakdown argument back, same as Reynhart. It boils down to the same thing, that we don't have enough information to say anything concrete. It's the perfect amount of information to promote speculation.

In terms of the weapon, my point is that it is a focal part of the art work which makes zero sense for a job that has a different weapon as their icon. We have no idea what the Dancer would use as a weapon in FFXIV, so that point is moot.

For the Chakra, I am not entirely sure where or what that looks like. My monk is still leveling and while I've used Chakra going through PotD, the animations I have seen in that I do not see in the video at all. Would you mind pointing out which they are?

It is funny, because you state that Monk requires no assumptions, but you actually started out your entire post with an assumption - "where monks come from is a pretty good indication that she isn't just a Pugilist."

I really dislike your last statement. Occam's razor is a problem solving technique from the 14th century, where we're trying to solve problems out in the real world. It's not meant to be used when analyzing a trailer that is designed to create hype and speculation. It doesn't fit in with this at all. "Grasping at straws" is just an ad hominem.

All of that said, I am perfectly in tune with her being a Monk and that the artwork is just artwork and there is nothing for it. However, I find it fun to speculate the other possibilities. We have months before the expansion hits, now is the fun time when we get to guess and speculate - no matter how radical that they may be

Your counter points also included a lot of maybes btw