There Is No Dancer (yet)

[Reynhart]

Lol this argument is like the WOD argument. So many people where %100 positive that the WOD would not be actual characters

Wait, what ? We obviously saw Elidibus talking with the WoD at the end of HW (The first time that the name was even dropped in the game), how could someone say that this would not be a character ?!

Wasn't the debate closer to "Is the WoD the character we see in the cutscenes ?", for which this answer is actually "No, it's not".

[Balipu]

Right? Right now is the fun time and excitement of the numerous possibilities we can have and people just want to crush peoples dreams for really no reason at all other than to be contrarian. Let our imaginations run wild and enjoy the anticipation and hype! It doesn't come around often. :P

Or the small fact that there is really no compelling evidence to the Dancer theory. We totally might get a dancer. It has been requested since pretty much 1.0 so it will come sooner than later. But the red woman is a monk. Every single piece of legit evidence points to her being a monk.

[HPDelron]

Come on, a flowy gown no matter how pretty does NOT equal dancer. As far as game programming goes, you can still be a monk in a dress. I don't know why people are running with this, but so far we have no proof that dancer is happening. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Druid confirmed.

[KaitlanKela]

Just to be contrarian? More like they wanna point out that there's no legit evidence in favor for the DNC theory other than wild speculation. It's not vindictive to try to temper ones expectations with reality.

[Lyshell]

Speculation is great! Have fun! Just keep it within the realm of possibilities. Dancer may just be a job we get. If so, awesome! I welcome it. However, I also know how this community can be. They'll run with the wildest theory and when their little bubble get's burst by the reality of the situation, 1000 threads will pop up with "I'm disappointed with ____________, How dare S.E turn their backs on their greatest fans/supporters, (insert speculated job here) was confirmed! Why are they backtracking now!" and and gloom over and over and over.

So most of us, are trying to keep the speculation within the realm of possibility by presenting fact.

Completely agree! That's the other side of the spectrum as well. And if Dancer isn't a job I will be sad and disappointed but I'm not gonna pout and throw a tantrum lol So yeah I totally agree those people shouldn't whine and moan and start the SE hate if they are wrong.

But still we need to have fun! Run wild screw the realistic possibilities and lets dream!

[Kaurie]

Or the small fact that there is really no compelling evidence to the Dancer theory. We totally might get a dancer. It has been requested since pretty much 1.0 so it will come sooner than later. But the red woman is a monk. Every single piece of legit evidence points to her being a monk.

Just to be contrarian? More like they wanna point out that there's no legit evidence in favor for the DNC theory other than wild speculation. It's not vindictive to try to temper ones expectations with reality.

I feel this is an exaggeration. There is ample evidence to suggest a Dancer, while not enough to confirm it. It's a perfect amount to create speculation. See my post on page 10 of this thread, http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...8yet%29/page10

Also, note that the evidence points toward her being a Pugilist, not a Monk.

While I have my doubts about it being dancer, it has to be pointed out that the animations she used in the trailer were exclusively pugilist abilities(demolish, snap punch, featherfoot, and fist of wind), so they could go the silly split soulstone route again.

[RukiaFae]

People still said that was just a stand in even though it was an in game clip and that we would be fighting ourself.

[ZhaneX]

Just to be contrarian? More like they wanna point out that there's no legit evidence in favor for the DNC theory other than wild speculation. It's not vindictive to try to temper ones expectations with reality.

While I do agree that there are plenty of people who indeed not simply being contrarian; pointing out holes in some facets of the speculation and raising very valid counterpoints for "Just a Monk", I feel like there are plenty of those who are being pretty vindictive in trying to shut down any speculation otherwise.

[Reynhart]

• A solid 10% of the video focuses on her dancing. This is a pretty significant chunk of time that alludes to a dancer only for Square to back out and say "Got you!"

I'd say this is not "Dancing" but kata training. Really close to what Yang and/or his daughter do in the opening CG for FF IV DS and After Years.

• Her movements are clearly more fluid than his (which are quite rigid)

Yes, because she's more trained than him.

• During the video she uses her feet more and moves around more, while he remains more stationary and punches more

Several monk skills use kick instead of punches. In fact, the first active skill we ever see a Monk have is Kick (Yang again)

• The expansion artwork appears to show 1 of each job in the game (Mind you I've only been able to identify BRD, PLD, DRK, MNK, DRG, NIN only, but have counted 16 jobs - current 13+3. I also suspect that bird above may be Garuda-Egi). Monk is clearly to the ladies right, which either means they have 2 Monks in the image with 1 of every other job (and we're getting 2 new ones), or she is a separate job and we are getting 3 new ones. (or I miscounted?).

Some people also speculate that the two silhouettes we saw at Fan Fest pointed to only two new jobs.

• The Rangers in the summer were said to be "hints" of upcoming jobs. I am not sure on this, but I read somewhere someone said that the Yellow Ranger pose is identical to a Dancer pose in FFXI?

The fact that we can have a Dancer doesn't imply that the woman is a Dancer. Until now, no trailer has been used to reveal something prior to the actual annoucement. You could also say that one of the ranger being covered in red could be a hint to RDM. Or maybe they were using skills in combat that could imply something else (I, personaly don't remember if they did)

[Kaurie]

I'd say this is not "Dancing" but kata training. Really close to what Yang and/or his daughter do in the opening CG for FF VI DS and After Years.

I am not familiar with the reference. Though, the argument makes sense. It appears like a dance to me, and I am not very familiar with martial arts to compare.

Yes, because she's more trained than him.

Except she uses only Pugilist abilities and he uses Monk ones.

Several monk skills use kick instead of punches. In fact, the first active skill we ever see a Monk have is Kick (Yang again)

I am fully aware that Monks in the game kick. This was to point out that they are making an active effort in the cutscene to differentiate their fighting style. Whether that is because she is a Dancer, or because of some other reason, I have no idea.

Some people also speculate than the two silhouettes we saw at Fan Fest pointed to only two jobs.

I am one of those people, actually Tough to say though, we'll see what we get.

The fact that we can have a Dancer doesn't imply that the woman is a Dancer. Until now, no trailer has been used to reveal something prior to the actual annoucement. You could also say that one of the ranger being covered in red could be a hint to RDM. Or maybe they were using skills in combat that could imply something else (I, personaly don't remember if they did)

Agreed, this is more supporting evidence than evidence in and of itself/


I would say the most compelling evidence to me is the focus on her weapon in the artwork. This could simply be that the weapon has story significance (Royalty etc.), but it's focused on both of the revealed artworks I linked above. That is too much to ignore.

All of that said, I appreciate your response and like that you addressed points individually and directly - rather than just making some blanket statement about grasping at straws or having no evidence etc. I would say though that while your answers provide explanations, there is nothing to say they are the correct explanations - just one possibility.