Main Scenario Restriction Bloodstorm - Very Very Bad idea.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Then why do you keep saying I've given you no reason? I have to give you a reason for you to disagree with one?

You cherry pick what better suits your argument or completely mischaracterize what I've said.

Wrong. It absolutely does. Most end-game content was/is gated behind the story. Dynamis, Limbus, Sky, Sea were among the major end-game content gated behind the story. Certain other content was gated partially by story. Assaults, Nyzul, unlocking various jobs, Escha, etc.

Not in the same manner FFXIV does. Regardless, FFXI is a fifteen year old game. Trends and audiences change.

Playing a game as intended, has nothing to do with what you said. ME3 is intended (programmed) to be picked up without ME1 or ME2 being played. You can also use a save file from those games to personalize your ME3 game. However, it is intended to stand alone. FFXIV: ARR is intended (programmed) to be played starting at level 1 and proceeding into Heavensward, which is a continuation of the events from ARR. HW is not intended (programmed) to start the character off in Ishgard.

That doesn't mean it can never be changed. If we're being entirely rigid on intention, the devs generally want you to play through the story. If you're skipping cutscenes, then you technically aren't "playing the game as intended." Personal interpretation is merely that: personal.

I think it is well-established that you want to skip ARR. I get that. However, when I say that I prefer people to play the game as intended, I mean it in the sense of play it how it's programmed. In other words, I didn't make the rules. Get over it. I'm not forcing anyone to play it any differently than anyone else. In fact, I'm not forcing anyone to play it at all. I simply have the opinion that it should retain it's integrity, and remain as is, possibly with less bloat, but definitely not skip story.

Only if you failed to read my posts. I specifically cited having read and watch every cutscene. In fact, I've done so twice. I also wouldn't have any interest purchasing a jump potion. Because I support the idea, doesn't inherently mean I dislike the story. That is you once again making presumptions.

And I have the opinion the "integrity of the game" is ascribing a personal attachment to something nebulous. Evidently, we disagree. So as you so eloquently put, get over it.

Based on many review sites that rate MMORPGs. FFXIV is usually right under your baby WoW, which also happens to have about 10 years on it.

There you go making assumptions again. I've never played WoW. I only cited it because it directly refutes your argument of RMT madness and proved their jump potion equivalent wound up being successful. God forbid I don't agree FFXIV should be played in such and such a way. Obviously, I must be a WoW player who hates the story.

I don't. I said I fault anyone who views the expansions as stand-alone games. The same as I would fault anyone thinking one chapter out of a book is a stand-alone story.

Good for you. Unfortunately, your opinion isn't the end all, be all.

Don't tease me.

Oh no. Somebody disagrees with me on the Internet. They should just go away.

Wasn't my question.

Just another false equivalent. You do those a lot.

The achievements don't bother me.

That wasn't my point.

I think they would. One of the major complaints is DF wait times. The story can be spammed through rather quickly. It's the dungeons that slow it down. The story is soloable for the most part, but the dungeons are not, unless you have someone willing to burn through them.

What concern of it is yours? For them, spamming hundreds of quests is still tedious.

Wait... I thought you said they wouldn't mind doing those dungeons.

Had nothing to do with what I said, again. You continuously try to equate wanting to skip to the beginning of Heavenward with being gifted Best in Slot gear. They aren't the same thing.

Coming from the person becoming increasingly judgmental. What I said was in jest. I've never shamed, or called out someone in game, because I don't like their play style. If a healer doesn't DPS, I don't care. That's usually my job. I'm not that uptight, that I criticize a healer for wanting to heal. I don't secretly parse people, then tell them how worthless they are at the end of a run. (Had a nice person do that after my first A12 run, despite beating it the first attempt.)

Because I disagreed with you? Heaven help us all. Apparently, my supporting, or simply not caring one way or another because a jump potion is somehow judgmental. Is it because I don't feel the same way you do about the game's "integrity." I'm not the one who advocated shaming people who opted to purchase something because I didn't like it. How convenient that's only a "joke" now though.

You have this assumption that I'm some mean person, that forces people to play my way. All I'm asking is that everyone play the game from the same starting point. That's not really "my" way, but rather the "fair" way, for everyone.

No. Frankly, I don't have any opinion of you. We merely disagreed on a forum. Don't think much else of it. And that "fair" way remains, your subjective, opinion.

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Regardless, FFXI is a fifteen year old game. Trends and audiences change. I've never played WoW. I only cited it because it directly refutes your argument of RMT madness and proved their jump potion equivalent wound up being successful.

Since I'm already making assumptions, I'm going to assume you never played FFXI. Because you seem to know very little about it.

I'm also going to assume you never read any of the WoW forums complaining how toxic the community has become since the addition of jumping potions.

Also, I'm going to assume that you know very little about WoW's RMT situation, and how for years they could not get rid of them. Still can't. But it's all okay now, because you can buy gold directly from Blizzard, in the form of a token. Right off of their cash shop. They made RMT legal, to compete with them.

Apparently, my supporting, or simply not caring one way or another because a jump potion is somehow judgmental.

Actually, I would base that on your interaction with others. Not on the fact you want the jumping potion. But there I go again, making assumptions that your harmful rhetoric and spite towards others is somehow judgmental. Maybe I should instead assume that's just you being friendly?

But if you really don't care about all of this... why are you defending your position so vehemently?

And before you ask the same of me, I'll say I actually care about the game I play. I've heard "the game is dying" bs from the start of FFXI: CoP. Still alive. Maybe not kickin', but definitely still around. It's going to be very hard to convince me so early in, that FFXIV is going down your arbitrary "road to doom."

But I digress. I'm tired. I'm bored of the discussion, as it's circling around into the same tired "what do you care?" nonsense. If it will make you feel better, I'll even say you win.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Since I'm already making assumptions, I'm going to assume you never played FFXI. Because you seem to know very little about it.

I'm also going to assume you never read any of the WoW forums complaining how toxic the community has become since the addition of jumping potions.

Also, I'm going to assume that you know very little about WoW's RMT situation, and how for years they could not get rid of them. Still can't. But it's all okay now, because you can buy gold directly from Blizzard, in the form of a token. Right off of their cash shop. They made RMT legal, to compete with them.

I did play it, albeit not for long. Didn't particularly like it, though not for story reasons.

WoW has several million players. By simple statistics, they will have a much larger "toxic" portion of their community. People have complained about that long before a jump potion were added.

Actually, I know a WoW GM personally. No MMO will ever get rid of RMTs because of how they operate. They ban a handful and new bots are made. A game with WoW's population and popularity will inevitably attract more.

Actually, I would base that on your interaction with others. Not on the fact you want the jumping potion. But there I go again, making assumptions that your harmful rhetoric and spite towards others is somehow judgmental. Maybe I should instead assume that's just you being friendly?

But if you really don't care about all of this... why are you defending your position so vehemently?

And before you ask the same of me, I'll say I actually care about the game I play. I've heard "the game is dying" bs from the start of FFXI: CoP. Still alive. Maybe not kickin', but definitely still around. It's going to be very hard to convince me so early in, that FFXIV is going down your arbitrary "road to doom."

But I digress. I'm tired. I'm bored of the discussion, as it's circling around into the same tired "what do you care?" nonsense. If it will make you feel better, I'll even say you win.

My interactions have been to disagree with you and call old content irrelevant. You apparently took umbrage to it. If you deem words on a forum where I, at no point, uttered so much as curse word to any one person, "harmful". Well, perhaps Tumblr can relate. Disagreeing with someone is not spiteful or malicious.

Because it's a forum and I'll reply to whomever responses if I feel like it? I'm simply arguing the other side. And I never once said FFXIV was dying nor did I even imply it. I said if content is continuously gated by an ever growing quest requirement. It will deter new players. You're inferring what hasn't been said.

Do whatever you fancy. It doesn't matter to me.