Why samurai is much more possible as a dps than you think

[SokiYagami]

One issue with the counter/reflect tank is that if the core of the job is built around that then in the OT position it would fall flat harder than a 3.0 PLD, and if the core of the job isn't built around that, and only it's mitigation was then it would either be OP or really disjointed (much like PLD is right now). What SAM needs as a tank is a playstyle (like how DRK is built around dark arts, not any kind of gap filling, it just so happens that DRK doesn't have many skills suited to the OT position), not a gap in role purpose.

Yes and no. The counter/reflect mode can be locked within the tank stance and then just go ham on damage with the dps stance. The two stance would need a more dramatic change of the magnitude like that of an AST (as compared to WAR). If done correctly, SAM tank would become the new dps-focus tank and WAR would be like a hybrid of PLD and SAM just like DRK is kinda the in-between of PLD/WAR now. Balance would definitely be a nightmare, but I think it's possible within the current game limits with the new level caps coming in 4.0.

I was actually trying to find the anime scene, where Kenshin explains to the audience why a wakizashi makes Aoshi virtually untouchable compared to Kenshin. I was quite pleased to find this movie, any idea where I can watch it?

Also yeah, I did kind of forget the shinsengumi were ninjas not samurai x3 Still of note in that clip, Kenshin was speeding all over the place trying to hit Aoshi from anywhere, including the back. And whats more Aoshi anticipated a tactic like that enough to guard against it, I found that kind of fun But still the choreography was top notch, and I loved the filmwork there!

The movie is definitely one of the best anime/manga to movie film I'd ever watched. Sadly there's no way to share without breaking the law, so maybe trying looking for it on Amazon or something? XD

[Lambdafish]

Balance would definitely be a nightmare, but I think it's possible within the current game limits with the new level caps coming in 4.0.

if the core of the job isn't built around that, and only it's mitigation was then it would either be OP or...

SE has yet to prove to me that they can balance tanks well this way, and I would rather they didn't push the current meta further, instead destroying it and rebuilding it from the ground up. As for your idea on AST stances, it would make tank swapping impossible, as AST stances lock you into one for the entire fight, and if it didn't on SAM it would be OP.

[SokiYagami]

SE has yet to prove to me that they can balance tanks well this way, and I would rather they didn't push the current meta further, instead destroying it and rebuilding it from the ground up. As for your idea on AST stances, it would make tank swapping impossible, as AST stances lock you into one for the entire fight, and if it didn't on SAM it would be OP.

The only reason I mentioned AST is because swapping sects have a pretty large change in terms of play style as compared to switching tank stance, don't take it too literally. And yes, I find it hard to believe SE can actually make it work. It's mostly just theory and ideas for the sake of argument. I still think that SAM have a 50-50 chance of being either a tank or a dps role. Just that if it did turn out to be a tank, it will probably be another blend carbon copy of existing tank instead of how I hope it might be (as a tank).

[Alacran]

Yeah, that is definitely the realistic approach to it for both fantasy and reality. That's exactly why the argument about samurai never attacking from behind just isn't plausible, especially when you consider this is a video game lol. The guy was also asking for any examples of such attacks, even in fiction, and well... look no further than For Honor.

I was actually trying to ask where the community wants a Samurai to stand.

People bring up real life now and it still misses the point... It's an ideal. The failing isn't the code but the person... What you are in the dark.http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ouAreInTheDark


However i digress, a picture is after all worth a thousand words right?

[ChocoFeru]

I think it was in a Live Letter when Yoshi-P talked about why DRK was a tank, and the reason was that they were thinking about a 2h Sword tank, and there were 2 posibilities; DRK and SAM.

So, if DRK is tank, them SAM should be a DPS unless SE wants a second sank using 2h Swords (or a healer using G.Katanas, like "I have a wound on my arm!" *SAM cuts the arm, wound gone* "Thank you, SAM!").

[Reynhart]

I was actually trying to find the anime scene, where Kenshin explains to the audience why a wakizashi makes Aoshi virtually untouchable compared to Kenshin. I was quite pleased to find this movie, any idea where I can watch it?

Except that Aoshi don't use Wakizashis, but Kodachis. And it would make it closer to what Ninjas use in FFXIV...and in FFXI, where they were made a tank in the end

[Kiteless]

I think it was in a Live Letter when Yoshi-P talked about why DRK was a tank, and the reason was that they were thinking about a 2h Sword tank, and there were 2 posibilities; DRK and SAM.

So, if DRK is tank, them SAM should be a DPS unless SE wants a second sank using 2h Swords (or a healer using G.Katanas, like "I have a wound on my arm!" *SAM cuts the arm, wound gone* "Thank you, SAM!").

For what it's worth, a 'melee healer' who did its job by running around and splinting broken bones or stitching wounds would be really cool. Not as a samurai, but as a concept in general.

[Reynhart]

For what it's worth, a 'melee healer' who did its job by running around and splinting broken bones or stitching wounds would be really cool. Not as a samurai, but as a concept in general.

I don't think it was powerful enough to really be a "main" healer, but that's kind of what Dancer was in FFXI.
Using TP to cure the party, or put leech buffs on the enemy, while having access to several enfeebling skills.

[ADVSS]

well both hands is traditionally a sam skill, beyond some of the weirder ones pre-11 like gil toss(later being a gambler skill), but even then was a massive damaging move. I like the sword tech, cyan version of ff6 alot, though obviously we cant have instant finishers like odins zantetsuken, thatd be op as hell. For what its worth SAM is about as tough to peg on one role as RDM so it will be interesting to see where they go with it.
it could be a tank, or it could be like a drg with its iconic armor being close to either in regards. I think it could function well as either, certainly would be a nasty dps if done right

[Shippuu]

I think it was in a Live Letter when Yoshi-P talked about why DRK was a tank, and the reason was that they were thinking about a 2h Sword tank, and there were 2 posibilities; DRK and SAM.

So, if DRK is tank, them SAM should be a DPS unless SE wants a second sank using 2h Swords (or a healer using G.Katanas, like "I have a wound on my arm!" *SAM cuts the arm, wound gone* "Thank you, SAM!").

The devs have made zero comments regarding SAM and DRK where them being 2 handed jobs having any kind of factor in the decision for them. They have only ever said SAM was going to be Heavensward's tank until the last minute when they decided to use DRK instead to better match the visual theme of the expansion and because they didn't want to release another eastern themed job so soon after Ninja.

There has never been any comment from them about 2 handed swords being any point of consideration for either job nor their roles.