With Eve gone, only sub based MMOs left are FFXIV and WoW

[Chiramu]

I'm all for whatever makes SE more money which in turn becomes more content which is then deepened and the cycle repeats.

If that is P2P, B2P, or FTP it don't matter to me. And this game right now is P2P + cash shop. The standard P2P at least in the beginning didn't double dip.

FFXIV seems to take after SWTOR; especially after the Stormblood trailer, very reminiscent of the new SWOTR expansion trailer.

Korean F2P isn't so bad, the only P2W games I can think of would be Facebook games. If they would look at F2P they should look more closely at the Korean models or at least do what SWTOR does. Wow is going to be killed soon by Blizzard so Pay to play will almost be a thing of the past.

[istvana]

There are other subscription games such as Dark Ages of Camelot. Yes that one is still supported with developer activity and a PvP only DAOC 2 was in the works by the original chief developer. Not with that name of course.

[Astyrah]

The only 2 sub based MMOs left, and in WoW you can buy time with gold.

I really really hope the sub stays in FFXIV long term, because it will only improve the community. There needs to be some barrier of entry.

same. really hope that subscription stays despite the trend shift to buy to play or free to play (w/ cash shop) being the norm for mmos nowadays. i would hate to see the servers get flooded with the toxic f2p crowd and whiners

[SigmaOZ]

I wouldn't trust a free to play FF game!...

I think subscription based MMO games have higher quality than F2P, maybe because there is a commitment between paying people and developers to keep things right whilst F2P games must be more of a gamble, if they sell enough they might continue with the game but if they don't then updates might not come out at all!...

[Silvarion]

I thought WoW is not a pure sub-based anymore nowadays?

There's that thing called the WoW Token to buy subscription.

So, basically only the Final Fantasy games are the pure sub-based mmos left today.

[FyrmurlFloerasksyn]

I hope XIV never goes f2p. The quality wouldn't be there any more. Plus, no income = no updates

[alimdia]

All my friends run bots in WoW to pay their time, takes less than 2 days to earn the gold for a month, they even pay my sub because it takes no effort for them, I don't even have to bot myself for it.

I'm not against the ability to buy a month for gil, but I'm not sure if it's a good thing for the community. Actually the lack of bots in the Playstation community is also god sent, they can't bot even if they wanted to.

A few bad apples doesn't mean the whole system is bad or flawed, people will always find ways to abuse the system, if we had a sub token RMT would be gone for sure, and all that profit people give to RMT would go to SE instead, besides wow gold or ffxiv gil have no real in game value, all you can buy with it is cosmetics or a house, the best gear will always be obtained from instances or tomes.

[Lisotte]

You forgot FFXI, Ultima Online, and Dark Age of Camelot. EVE you can kinda play free. You can argue WoW is F2P now if you consider EVE F2P

[Cakekizyy]

I thought WoW is not a pure sub-based anymore nowadays?

There's that thing called the WoW Token to buy subscription.

So, basically only the Final Fantasy games are the pure sub-based mmos left today.

It's still P2P, just someone else is giving Blizz the money.

[Hyperia]

The mogstation payed for the European data center and it is also paying for the server upgrades to enable more inventory and houses. While some of the cash goes to SE as profit, a large chunk goes back into the game. Another thing to remember, the more profitable the game is, the more Yoshi can ask of SE for us.