With Eve gone, only sub based MMOs left are FFXIV and WoW

[Kaurie]

I really really hope the sub stays in FFXIV long term, because it will only improve the community. There needs to be some barrier of entry.

Having money to spend on a sub doesn't mean that you are going to be a positive member of the community.

That said, I'm all for FFXIV keeping its sub as well. My only concern is the increasing costs and frequency of stuff in the cash shop. IMO it is ridiculous that even extra retainers are in the cash shop, but since then we've seen even more ridiculous things imo.

I feel if you pay monthly, you shouldn't have added content in a cash shop. Cash shops are ways for free MMO's to make money. Subs are for those of us who want quality content without cash shops. :\

[Blood-Aki]

Having money to spend on a sub doesn't mean that you are going to be a positive member of the community.

That said, I'm all for FFXIV keeping its sub as well. My only concern is the increasing costs and frequency of stuff in the cash shop. IMO it is ridiculous that even extra retainers are in the cash shop, but since then we've seen even more ridiculous things imo.

I feel if you pay monthly, you shouldn't have added content in a cash shop. Cash shops are ways for free MMO's to make money. Subs are for those of us who want quality content without cash shops. :\

Because people begged for a cash shop and SE is not just going to say "na, we don't want easy money, we'll pass" thus the cash shop is born. and is slowly getting worse and worse. because people are actually PAYING the absurd prices in it, thus they keep going up, pretty soon it will have outfits for $ 35-50 and people will buy them.

In other words, people want to throw money at SE and they have their bags open, over half the stuff in there could have easily been actual in game rewards, for example: the odin mount could have been a drop from the ACTUAL odin fight. but that would make to much sense, Slap a price tag on it and watch the whales swim in.


Also as far as topic goes FFXI is still going and is still sub based, and has been since 2002, so there is 3.

[TiaHariberux3]

In other words, people want to throw money at SE and they have their bags open, over half the stuff in there could have easily been actual in game rewards, for example: the odin mount could have been a drop from the ACTUAL odin fight. .

You never know this things wouldn't have been ingame at all maybe + Odin fight came later lol. Also ppl always complain if its not cash shop ppl complain about grind (see potd hairstyle for example) cant please them all lol

[Naunet]

Because people begged for a cash shop and SE is not just going to say "na, we don't want easy money, we'll pass" thus the cash shop is born. and is slowly getting worse and worse. because people are actually PAYING the absurd prices in it, thus they keep going up, pretty soon it will have outfits for $ 35-50 and people will buy them.

In other words, people want to throw money at SE and they have their bags open, over half the stuff in there could have easily been actual in game rewards, for example: the odin mount could have been a drop from the ACTUAL odin fight. but that would make to much sense, Slap a price tag on it and watch the whales swim in.

They dig their own graves. :/ Kudos to them for messing it up for everyone else.

[Lulu89]

Having money to spend on a sub doesn't mean that you are going to be a positive member of the community.

That said, I'm all for FFXIV keeping its sub as well. My only concern is the increasing costs and frequency of stuff in the cash shop. IMO it is ridiculous that even extra retainers are in the cash shop, but since then we've seen even more ridiculous things imo.

I feel if you pay monthly, you shouldn't have added content in a cash shop. Cash shops are ways for free MMO's to make money. Subs are for those of us who want quality content without cash shops. :\

What's stoping ppl form drop 200$ a month or 1000$ a months on a free MMO? LoL
But when it comes to a P2P you can't seem to drop 50$ in 1 month on a sub MMO you love, 2 or 3 times a year For that lil something you won't .O.o.

God forbid they add P2W....lol (BTW I'm 100% not for lol)

I know many ppl that drop more on a F2P in 1year then they do on a P2P in 5years....

[Dreamsoap]

Having money to spend on a sub doesn't mean that you are going to be a positive member of the community.

That said, I'm all for FFXIV keeping its sub as well. My only concern is the increasing costs and frequency of stuff in the cash shop. IMO it is ridiculous that even extra retainers are in the cash shop, but since then we've seen even more ridiculous things imo.

I feel if you pay monthly, you shouldn't have added content in a cash shop. Cash shops are ways for free MMO's to make money. Subs are for those of us who want quality content without cash shops. :\

Personally I am 100% fine with cash shops in any game as long as it's only superficial/ aesthetic items that don't give payers a significant ability to play the game better. Played so many games where cash shops like those completely ruined
PvP. What I am against however is exorbitantly priced items in a game that you already pay just to log in to.

[Kaurie]

Personally I am 100% fine with cash shops in any game as long as it's only superficial/ aesthetic items that don't give payers a significant ability to play the game better. Played so many games where cash shops like those completely ruined
PvP. What I am against however is exorbitantly priced items in a game that you already pay just to log in to.

Indeed, we each have our own opinions of them. Personally, I am just as against a cash shop in a sub game that only does aesthetic items as one that has ability bonuses. I pay monthly to access all of the content. That said, I'd be a bit less bothered by it (and may even take part in it) if the prices were more reasonable. For example, I'd pay $3 for the Chinese Outfit, but $18 is ridiculous.

[Kosmos992k]

Having money to spend on a sub doesn't mean that you are going to be a positive member of the community.

That said, I'm all for FFXIV keeping its sub as well. My only concern is the increasing costs and frequency of stuff in the cash shop. IMO it is ridiculous that even extra retainers are in the cash shop, but since then we've seen even more ridiculous things imo.

But....all those extra $$ from retainers in the cash shop are surely among the extra $$$$$$ spent on 4.0 including server upgrades that will facilitate a very large increase in inventory (apparently).


Doesn't that suggest that the cash shop is not so bad if it results in them being able to expand servers and put more development into the game? I can remember being told by all and sundry that they would never upgrade the servers for 4.0 and the idea that it would help inventory was pie in the sky anyway, because they would not invest in it. It would seem that the profits from the FFXIV property are good enough to roll back considerable $$ into server infrastructure as well as development.

[Riardon]

I always prefer the sub based MMORPGs. It's more honest in my opinion and the sub filters out all the pixel hero kids thus making the community much more enjoyeable.

[Stormfur]

I'm okay with the Cash Shop as long as

1) Things in it are only cosmetic (though the outfits with the xp are pushing it a bit too far)
2) The money goes back into FFXIV directly -better server infrastructure and better fanfest merchandising