Hard mode dungeons/Primals - are they needed for story progression???

[Pintsized]

Are HM dungeons/primals mandatory or optional for story progression??

I'm following this page to know what is and isn't needed, I hope it's accurate:

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wi...cenario_Quests

[Pintsized]

So I've just come across the first problem with that page, this quest:

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Hest_of_the_Best

I've done the pre-req but am not getting this quest from that NPC, I fear the progression isn't as linear or complete as the page I linked to implies.

[MistakeNot]

So I've just come across the first problem with that page, this quest:

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Hest_of_the_Best

I've done the pre-req but am not getting this quest from that NPC, I fear the progression isn't as linear or complete as the page I linked to implies.

That page is slightly old. Guild hests are no longer required for the MSQ. They have been replaced by other quests. (I don't remember right now what they have been replaced with though.)

Hint: Don't pay TOO much attention to what guides say - each time you finish one part of the MSQ, the following one(s) can be picked up from a nearby NPC, so just look around.

[Urthdigger]

GE tends to be much better updated. This is the version of that quest there: http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Hest_of_the_Best which directs you to the new version here http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/We...Morbol_Country

A list of all main scenario quests required can be found here: http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Main_Scenario_Quest . You'll need to use the tab at the top to switch to ARR until you reach Heavensward however, and it's broken up based on what patch it belongs to.

[Niwashi]

So I've just come across the first problem with that page, this quest:

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Hest_of_the_Best

I've done the pre-req but am not getting this quest from that NPC, I fear the progression isn't as linear or complete as the page I linked to implies.

Gamerescape identifies Hest of the Best as obsolete and replaced by Welcome to Morbol Country. I believe their listings are still up to date.

[Urthdigger]

Gamerescape identifies Hest of the Best as obsolete and replaced by Welcome to Morbol Country. I believe their listings are still up to date.

They are now. When I was researching my previous post, I did see a bug that messed with it (Basically, the new versions are technically patch 3.1 quests, but that page pulls all 2.1 MSQs for the list). I fixed it though. That's the nice part of a wiki, can always fix what's wrong

[Pintsized]

Just discovered another major omission from that page .. you HAVE to do the ancient 'hard modes' Ifrit, Titan and Garuda because Good Intentions is gated by them.

That totally sucks, yet more obsolete content needed simply to be able to actually get to the 'new' content of 2 years ago. Had I known they were needed as well I'd likely not have started, this is a horrible, horrible slog for newer players simply to even begin to catch up with two-year-old content. Yet more gate unlocking needed before one can move forward again.

I find Titan Hard Mode terrifying, I failed in 9 times 3 years ago which is why I gave up playing back then since it gated relics which were the basis for all content from then on and I found the fight impossible to survive. These never were part of the MS, they were reli/gear grind vehicles, why do they gate the MSQ now?

[Urthdigger]

If you can't survive Titan hard mode, you're gonna have a bad time with later main scenario quests. I believe they added them because there IS some lore attached to them, and later content may assume your character has done them already.

[Pintsized]

My problem with Titan is that I can't remember the attack rotation patterns, just too much to try to follow when playing a healer, I thus end up keeping others alive and mange to die myself.

As for 'lore', let's face it, the MS in the original release was simply series of Primal-killing episodes interspersed with occasional ARR content following on the story from V1, the 'hard modes' were only added when relic and other end-game content was needed, IMO it has no place in the gating of the expansion, hard core content shouldn't gate story, it didn't originally it had no need to later on.

I had only 3 group fights left in the MSQ before discovering these were needed (Crysalis, Keeper of the Lake and Steps of Faith to go), I've not had any real problems so far, though I can see those aren't exactly walks in the park, but Titan is my nemesis.

[Taika]

I find Titan Hard Mode terrifying, I failed in 9 times 3 years ago which is why I gave up playing back then since it gated relics which were the basis for all content from then on and I found the fight impossible to survive. These never were part of the MS, they were reli/gear grind vehicles, why do they gate the MSQ now?

If your main is on Phoenix, you can ask me to run Titan with you when you see me online. I'll heal it with you and be your backup so you won't have to worry.