PSA: Heal people when you raise someone

[Aillith]

There are plenty of times I will cast raise and not heal immediately for several reasons:

- if I swift raise, i will do it asap because I want swift to be back up asap. I expect YOU to monitor the battle and accept it at an acceptable time that will allow me to heal you before an aoe goes off.

- I raise you, but the raise hastaken whats left of my mp and I can't heal you immediately. This often happens when the party itself is performing poorly, which is probably why you needed a raise in the first place.

- i raise you but a tank requires my attention first. They will always be more important than you. Always.

- i raise you and then get hit with a mechanic that takes me out of commission. You mentioned a12. Those communion string things are a great example. I have to move for a good 15 seconds.

This is just some of many different scenarios. We have a full party to cater for. Not just you, you special little snowflake.

[Bebekurenai]

As a WHM main it means in 90% of the times I enter the DF/RF I'll be main healing (wich also includes taking care of the Raises in most cases), so no, I don't DPS and forget to heal like you implied. Let me give you this example, during Sophia EX, if I raised you and not topped you off t was because of the following:

1 - My OGCD single target heals are on cooldown.
2 - They are off cooldown, but the tankbuster is happening and I need to be ready to top a tank if the tank swap fails.
3 - Mechanics are happening and I'm not standing still to cast a Cure II on you - my life is thousands of times more important than yours.
4 - Someone of higher importance for the party needs healing, so I'll tend to them first (my co-healer, tanks).
5 - There's Raid AOE going off and it's more reasonable to save the rest of the party than save you.

So if you're not getting healed there is a reason for that most of times. I know there are healers that stay on CS while shit hits the fan, but these are rare cases and I'm not one to do that.

Well this I must agree with this, if people are dying to Mega Holy there's something happening on the healer part. It can be a DPS only type of healer or maybe both of them are new and the damage got them by surprise.

Well this is what we are saying! The OP never complained about special situations but those where healers could perfectly have healed the weakened but chose not to for either continue dpsing or jumping around and then imply its the weakened's fault for dying again.
We know there are priorites and we know there's a moment to accept a raise, and of course there are times it's just the dps' fault. And it hurts me to see this phrase of "as a dps you shouldnt die in the first place anyways" because that is the attitude of those shitty healers who well, we know already.
I main healer and it hurts my heart to see fellow "healers" who give excuses to their lazy or selfish perfomance. If tanks are ok, the party is fine, mp good, no inminent danger of room aoe or other mechanic, both of the healers either just looking around or jumping, I will get angry if I happen to die for whatever reason and/or get up (once and not repeatedly, or I will be the fool) and I see the healers not reprotecting and healing me.
I think we all agree this is not acceptable? Or wait, was it a stone3 and a half for a protect?

[Dogempire]

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So, just a few responses to your bullet points:

1. It's on the healer to determine a good time to cast a resurrection. Obviously it would be stupid to cast a raise on someone during a hard tilt on Sohpia or right before a huge aoe that does a ton of damage.

2. It's better to leave the DPS dead if it means not being able to heal. You're basically selling your car for gas money in that situation. Plus you don't have to cast all the raises, you have a co-healer.

3. In my opinion, healers > tanks because there's an offtank, and your cohealer can all always hold down the fort somewhat while you raise the dead tank. Now, I will always disrupt my raise to heal the tank if the cohealer is dead, if not I trust the cohealer to cover for me.

4. Tbh you should only be using the instaheals for emergencies or with aetherflow if you have new stacks available in addition to emergencies. Otherwise it's cast time single target heals or raid heal over time.

[Aillith]

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1. It's on the healer to cast raise at an appropriate time to cast. This does not mean the raised person is to accept immediately. It is on the raised person to be aware of the battle taking place

2. There are plenty of times I can raise knowing I have shroud or assize coming. This means I cannot heal you immediately, as the OP is demanding. If you have accepted the raise and cannot wait 10 seconds to avoid raid wide aoe - then see point 1.

3. Thats great - my point never mentioned full heal priority. I gave only ONE example of someone more important than a dps. I did NOT list my comprehensive priority list for you...

4. In battles I will use my instaheals when they are needed as dictated by the battle and what the party requires. Too many healers never use theae tools waiting for 'something worse' while everyone dies around them.

[Valmaxian]

So, just a few responses to your bullet points:

1. It's on the healer to determine a good time to cast a resurrection. Obviously it would be stupid to cast a raise on someone during a hard tilt on Sohpia or right before a huge aoe that does a ton of damage.

I agree with this. Just be smart with rez timing, learn to time the heal once the rez is underway, refresh Prot, then you're good to go.

[GeekMatt]

So if you don't have the content down to a science yet, don't rez at all?

[mp-please]

So if you don't have the content down to a science yet, don't rez at all?

Or even better, don't die.

[UnaLihzeh]

Dude Raise lasts 60 seconds. A whole minute for you to time your accept while you have to do jack diddly nothing. The healer has a party to attend to and AOEs to avoid, and the cast time for Raise is pretty long if you don't have Swiftcast up. There's rare circumstances where a better time to accept a raise doesn't happen within a 60 second timeframe and the healer should hold off even if they have the time to, but in the majority of cases it's up to the one being raised to time it correctly.

[GeekMatt]

Just going to rant a little bit. Since everyone else is taking this joke seriously, I will to.

Firstly, if you're not the healer in the situation then you don't know what you're talking about. As others have said, there's a thousand reasons a healer can be unable to heal you after a rez and if you want to, lol, "call me out" I'll just let you stay down if my efforts aren't good enough for you. Even assuming I do have the content down to an exact science, when things get hectic there's an insane amount of factors to pay attention to--which skills do I have ready to come off CD? What mechanics are coming up? Can I afford the MP? Can I afford the time of casting a rez, WAITING UNTIL THE PERSON DECIDES TO TAKE IT WHICH COULD BE RIGHT AWAY OR LONG AFTER and the time healing the player? Is my co-healer able to help me out? Can I afford the CD of Benefic II or should I expend an Essential Dignity even though I may need it soon for an upcoming mechanic? How desperate are we for this players DPS right now? I have time to slow-rez him now but if he takes it right away he'll die, but if I don't rez right now, how long until I'm able to get the rez off?

You're not being a jerk for calling out a healer, as you say, so much as oblivious to what you're taking about. I'm a healer main, but even if I don't get healed up after a rez I don't know why. ANY HALF-COMPETENT HEALER KNOWS TO HEAL A LOW HP PLAYER rezzed or not, this isn't a PSA it's a pissy comment by an upset player that doesn't know what he's talking about probably because he just had this happen. Yes, if able, a healer should plan out their next heal--but if not, then do your best to keep the party going by weighing all the factors and understanding your priorities--a complaining DPS being the east of which.

[Dogempire]

So if you don't have the content down to a science yet, don't rez at all?

More like don't cast resurrect when everyone is marked with zombification and forgall is casting megadeath.