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    17th apparently
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    How much is the book at fan fest? I just got payed, and I'd like to know how much I need to save. Please, and thank you.
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    I must get the book!
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  4. #14
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    After spending six hours in various official and/or unofficial-but-no-one-told-them lines, I've finally secured one of these things and (after making time for some of the nicest friends ever) am ready to tear into it a bit (but only a bit - still so much to do this weekend).

    To respond to the bits in the thread so far:

    NAEL
    All in all, it sounds like a nice clean-up. We knew that all of Nael's 1.0 assets (and, truth be told, ARR assets sans the modded head and hair) were male, and we knew that, while there didn't seem to be consensus on much in 2012, not everyone did assume Nael to be a man. Turn 9, then, seemed like a manifestation of one interpretation of Nael, and one that has apparently now grown to be the dominant and canonized figure. Does it fit with everything we had before now? Not perfectly. Is it conclusive and can we move on? Thank the Twelve, yes.

    Many problems addressed more explicitly (given specific attention) in the lore book seems to be things where the stitches were already showing. It was clear that some things were decided earlier, and some things were decided later, and sometimes plans changed. It's not a surprise, then, that some of the stitches might still show a bit even when polished up and laid down as hard canon.

    For example, the book defines Corguevais as probably-Ascian despite 1.0 setting the rule that Ascians have no shadows - we ruled him out when that rule still stood (or at last from our POV should have been consistent with Travanchet).

    But hard-canon citations are worth their weight in gil. Truth counts most.

    GAIUS
    Welp, "at best he's not yet deader than dead" seems to be "deader than dead" after all.

    I'll let you know if this opinion changes as I go through the book, but it seems to "know best".
    e.g. Everyone in Eorzea calls phurbles voidsent, but here they're listed as Elementals.
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  5. #15
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    Reina Aurum
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    Really excited to read more on the race lore. Hopefully it just doesn't tread on things we already know.
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    "A learned warrior who uses Arithmeticks to analyze natural phenomena and pinpoint magickal attacks."

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    Short-hand confirmation of a few things:

    The Rejoining is about re-consolidating enough aether into the Source to restore Zodiark.

    The Ascian overlords do seem to be one from each world. Nabriales from the Twelfth, Igeyorhm form the Thirteenth. Igeyorhm's machinations resulted in a Flood of Darkness, robbing the world of its aether and negating both life and death. Starved of aether, the entities within became twisted and monstrous. She served Lahabrea as an act of redemption for this failure to secure a Rejoining.

    The Ascian cast out of the First was Mitron.

    Elidibus - even in his mission to Rejoin the worlds while preventing them from being lost to the Floods - remains a steadfast servant to the will of the Dark.

    I'd love to stay up all night dumping more little clarifications and tid-bits in here, but I must sleep.

    Rest assured: The book covers the knowns as of 3.3, fills in the gaps (especially ones pointed out through this very forum), gives hard-canon to things that were vague and/or have been adjusted, and contains new information in general. It's a very healthy mixed bag of "types" of information, and seems to be all-but-exhaustive and, for the most part, "seeing things from an accurate angle". I would recommend it to one and all, if for no other reason than it's just beautiful. I can say more about it when I've read it fully, but (as if there was any doubt) no effort was spared in making a sincere and thorough world companion.

    Once I'm home from Fan Fest, I'll go page by page and see how many of our concerns have been knocked off forsooth.

    I look forward to getting back to archiving what things are known / might be known more accurately with a bit of elbow grease / are vague / are intangible. The pre-Fest boredom was a good opportunity to get back into vague future prediction for fun and (lack of) profit ... but, as usual, not my forte. I understand what is much better than what will be, lol.
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  7. #17
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    Hey, I got the core of the Rejoining right!

    The Ascians each being from a different world was... predictable enough. I had at least figured they were at least each stationed there... perhaps they're all fractured, distorted images of one original being? Which would explain how Lahabrea and Igeyorhm were able to fuse into the Ascian Prime... but I digress. There's no relation between their numbered Reflection and their Zodiac sign number, so no Ivalice correlation! Stop bringing Ivalice up, please...

    Voidsent confirmed to be warped former denizens of the Thirteenth. Nice job breaking it, Iggy! Voidsent are easier to deal with than the fracking God of Darkness... well, assuming He is malevolent as we've been led to believe... so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    How much is the book at fan fest? I just got payed, and I'd like to know how much I need to save. Please, and thank you.
    It was 50 clams the last time I checked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    Voidsent confirmed to be warped former denizens of the Thirteenth. Nice job breaking it, Iggy!
    So would that make the proper term for warped former denizens of the First world (the Warriors of Darkness) be Lightsent?
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    Oooh, shiney...

  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pells View Post
    So would that make the proper term for warped former denizens of the First world (the Warriors of Darkness) be Lightsent?
    The First was merely being flooded, Hydaelyn at the end of 3.4 sent Minfillia there to act as a syphon or something along those lines to soak up all that positive aether to restore some of Hydaelyn's strength. So the First wouldn't produce "Lightsent."
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