Make XIV great again! 4.0

[Pence]

Make it great again? Is it not great now? I certainly think it is. Why do some people always want to talk things down so that they can claim they'll make them great again, when in fact things are already pretty damned great?

Why do so many people complain it's become basic? Because it has. If XIV released sub numbers like WoW used too I can assure you it would be draining numbers. What makes XIV great? The repetitive dungeons? 4 raid bosses every 6 months? Housing which is annihilated by F2P games? One of the most despised features in WoW? Garrisons. But Yoshi loves WoW so he tried to bring them over with Squads. They attempt to add new content - but it always fails because they're too stuck to their own formula.

There's no way 4.0 will survive this. I hate that I think WoW is kinda right in spicing it up each expansion.

[Zojha]

If XIV released sub numbers like WoW used too I can assure you it would be draining numbers.

Which MMORPG doesn't...?

If I recall correctly, WoW has been losing 2 million subs every expansion since cataclysm. Legion? Too early to tell, Warlords had a big spike at the start too. Not that they're giving official numbers these days because of the bleed. Wildstar went F2P so fast, you might have missed it was P2P at first if you blinked. SWTOR had to go F2P as well, likely due to dwindling numbers as well. Black Desert didn't seem to have been a raging success either and is GW2 gaining lots of players at the moment? Not that I know of. FFXI? The Secret World? Elder Scrolls Online? RIFT? Blade&Soul? Most of them aren't publishing numbers, but I doubt any of those is currently booming in secret.

Meanwhile, League of Legends is the biggest game on the market by far. Dota2 and Counter Strike GO peaked at 900.000 and 591.000 concurrent players today respectively according to steam statistics. And I wager that is precisely where the people who left WoW majorly went - not other MMORPGs, but MOBAs. They come with bot games, so you don't even have to be into PvP to play them.

[Remedi]

. I hate that I think WoW is kinda right in spicing it up each expansion.

It's called marketing, they didn't make any innovation to wow ever, but their marketing team is so good that they released a cash shop in a sub mmo and no1 said shame, while here on the other hand.....
Not to mention they actually copied D3 gameplay for an expansion and made you pay for it GG