Why do Prototype chest pieces still take 4 weeks to obtain?.

[Griever_Zero]

I’m going to add my 2 cents to this.

I'm raiding as PLD, but I main DRG.
But since raiding will need the better gear, PLD gets all of the tome gear for now, and a few alex pieces to compensate for tome gear that I can’t buy until a few weeks.
Whereas my DRG will get mostly Alex stuff, and will not get tome gear until I can say my PLD won't need it anymore.

Combine that with I generally don't have a lot time to play besides weekends, then I won't bother to waste my "precious" time on gathering, crafting or spending gil on crafted gear.
Because I don't see a need for a crafted gear what so ever.
It plays quite ideally to me, my DRG will not be top tier, but it will be up there in above decent gear terms until I can settle for better.

But ofcourse, this is my opinion, it works in favor for me since I'm split "maining" 2 classes and won't "waste" time or gil on what I deem useless crafted gear.

EDIT: To add time to this.

My DRG can be full Alex geared in i250 gear minus 1 ring and wep in just 5 weeks time with good planning on which alexander drops I need each week.

If I were to gear my PLD in full tome gear, it will take 14 weeks get all pieces. So my DRG will not be able to get any tome gear until week 15 earliest should I gear my PLD in full tome gear.

Sure I could get to my DRG to i250+ really quickly with crafting, but why would I need the gear? For the "casual content"? Non-crafted gear will be more than enough for that. Which I have cleared as a i236/i240 DRG.

[Neophyte]

I'm gearing SMN (lore&savage), but also BLM, SCH, WHM, PLD, WAR and later MNK and BRD.
Some of them share gear, some of them get different pieces (BLM<->SMN with Spellspeed) although they are the same role.

Why should I get an expensive and shitty acc+ss crafted body for my monk instead of an Crit+det one, if I don't want to buy the (also not that good) scripture one within the next 10 weeks?

Let me tell you a secret: Some of those gearing paths might cater more to players with more than 1 class instead of being implemented just for gearing your one and only main job.

[SendohJin]

Your arguments don't even make sense anymore. I never even hinted to sell things that people make for you

lol@saying crafted pieces cost millions.

Gather mats>Party finder a crafter>done and done.

You hinted at judging the value of a crafted piece that you gathered mats yourself as substantially less than the value of the same exact piece you buy from the Market Board. it's not.

it doesn't make sense to you because you can't come to terms that the same item has the same value regardless of how it was acquired.

and the proof that the same item has the same value is because you can sell it for the same value (-the Market Board fee but in return for that fee you save the time back for gathering the mats). that this even has to be explained to you is why my argument seems to not make sense to you.

i never actually said someone SHOULD sell it, only that they can.

[Mandudez]

Always level and gear your crafts and gatherers! I crafted all my gear (GSM, WVR and CRP) except boots because it was LTW, but still it was "free" since I gathered and crafted everything by myself

Now I don't have to do Alex normal! (well, just A12 weekly for the weapon item)

Indeed, this i what I did but I have LTW instead of WVR so I geared up my BRD & PLD to i250 in two weeks between crafted gear and alex gear to fill in the holes (mostly PLD gear) and 1 script body for PLD. All I had to get crafted from someone else was PLD shield and bam two classes full i250 in 8 days after the patch.

[SpookyGhost]

You hinted at judging the value of a crafted piece that you gathered mats yourself as substantially less than the value of the same exact piece you buy from the Market Board. it's not.

Think you're misunderstanding.

Let's say you have like... half a million gil or something, so not enough to buy a piece of crafted but enough spare gil to pay for a crafter's services.

Now, you either take the rest of that money and buy the mats (if you have enough to afford them, depending on your server) or you can go out and get at least the Lore mats yourself.

So let's say now you have all the mats gathered, one way or another, with spare money left over to pay a crafter. If you got the piece crafted, and then sold it, you'd have gil to spend on... buying the piece again.

You could sell the piece and then wait a long while for the price to go down and end up at a profit, but by that point the necessity for those pieces will probably have disappeared.

So basically, at least as far as I understand, Foxy is saying that you don't necessarily need all that gil to get something crafted - you can get the mats and then get it crafted for significantly cheaper. Essentially what you're paying for from the MB is an immediate jump to having the crafted piece, rather than needing to get all the mats and then finding someone to craft it. What you're arguing is that getting the thing crafted would give it as much value as simply buying it from the MB - which is true, but (afaik) isn't what Foxy is saying. Correct me if I'm wrong and all that, just kinda what I gathered from the conversation.

[SendohJin]

Think you're misunderstanding.

You perceive "lol@" a lot kinder than i do.

Sure I get what you're saying but someone that poor would also struggle to properly meld the crafted piece. And again you can say well he can do PotD and Mhach and Dailies to get his own materia but if he has all that materia to begin with, he could've sold it for gil and bought the piece as well.

you can get the mats and then get it crafted for significantly cheaper.

yes/no. what you don't pay for in actual gil you pay for in time getting the mats. and a big part of his overall argument in this thread is that farming A12N is a waste of time. it's not a waste of time if the person doing it likes the battle content.

[KaitlanKela]

I don't understand this thread.

You can get substitute pieces as early as patch day (crafted) or two weeks (tomestone).

Therefore, the Alex piece needs to come sooner? It doesn't follow. If you're working on the chest you get substitute with something else you JUST MENTIONED until you get it. OR you just don't get it because the other gear you substituted is already superior. Doesn't adversely affect ANYONE to have it take four weeks. What is the big deal?

[MomomiMomi]

OR you just don't get it because the other gear you substituted is already superior. Doesn't adversely affect ANYONE to have it take four weeks. What is the big deal?

That's the big deal. The superior choice is simply to not go for it. It should be an actual choice.