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  1. #41
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    Atoli's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazymagic View Post
    I just hate that fluff feels like its in the driver seat with this game right now. You see it said all the time "Glamour is the end game"
    That's mainly for 2 reasons:
    • people conciously picking glamour over other goals because they simply enjoy it the most
      (and since FFXIV is a beautiful game with amazing glamours, it is not unlikely a lot of people who put much emphasis on these things have gathered here)
    • fluff being an actual long-time reward.
      If I spend 300 runs on getting this pony/bird/whatever, I have something that will stay with me forever.
      In 2 years, it will still look amazing, it will still perfectly coordinate with the color of my outfit and still carry me wherever I need to go.
      But why would I spend 300 runs on farming a weapon just for the stats when those stats are gonna be outdated in a few weeks?

    Personally, I don't exactly mind this lack of longevity of gear, since I already have moved on to considering fluff the true goal, but a more horizontal gear progression would accomodate those who do not care about fluff without taking away anything the fluff lovers care about. But there are many things in the way of this - meaningful different stats would be needed on gear to make different sets really necessary for different content, and that would not just require REALLY careful finetuning but also a complete overhaul of the system since the current limits to how much gear one can hold are not even remotely adequate for such a progression form.


    Quote Originally Posted by Krazymagic View Post
    Every event though is just a fate grind for fluff. Costumes, pets, or mounts that dont run any faster or do anything different than the dozens of other mounts already in the game simply dont motivate me to play.
    They are events. If event items were anything but fluff we'd have a real problem on our hands.
    If someone misses an event now, it's like "well, it's just fluff, but if you really care about it, you can buy it in the cs".
    If event gear was cutting-edge stuff or event mounts were faster than regular mounts or event furniture had special gameplay functions, we'd be right at the point where you can literally BUY progress and advantages in the CS.
    And if they weren't availabe in the cash shop but forever lost, that would alienate a big part of the community and be even worse.
    The problem with grinding Fates for fluff for events is the "grinding FATEs" part, not the "fluff rewards" one.
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  2. #42
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    Jasott's Avatar
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    Hawu'to Rakarrak
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
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    Okay, For WoW: They don't put a "lot more" content in their patches and expansions. Expansions is less, and patches, going by Warlords of Draenor, had next to nothing in its 2 patches, maybe a raid or two, and that was it, oh, also the boat addition to the garrison and unlocking a zone you were in at the start of the expansion.
    For GW2. Yes they get more frequent updates, but lets be honest, 99% of them are "here's a new set of skins for the cash shop, buy our keys for the RNG chests you've constantly collected in game for a chance at getting tokens to actually get these skins."

    As for Add on support, its been confirmed we're NEVER getting them. Yoshi-P stated it would give PC players an unfair advantage over console players.
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    Last edited by Jasott; 10-12-2016 at 01:54 AM.

  3. #43
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    Dreamsoap's Avatar
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    Jye Greene
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    Quote Originally Posted by SessionZero View Post
    The "I'm dropping my sub if..." threads begin...
    I'm dropping my sub if I stop earning money. That'll show 'em!
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  4. #44
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    Kaurie Lorhart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasott View Post
    Okay, For WoW: They don't put a "lot more" content in their patches and expansions. Expansions is less, and patches, going by Warlords of Draenor, had next to nothing in its 2 patches, maybe a raid or two, and that was it, oh, also the boat addition to the garrison and unlocking a zone you were in at the start of the expansion.
    For GW2. Yes they get more frequent updates, but lets be honest, 99% of them are "here's a new set of skins for the cash shop, by our keys for the RNG chests you've constantly collected in game for a chance at getting tokens to actually get these skins."

    As for Add on support, its been confirmed we're NEVER getting them. Yoshi-P stated it would give PC players an unfair advantage over console players.
    They do put a lot more into it. Objectively, Warcraft, starting at release of WoD to now, has had 33% more raid bosses than FFXIV over the same time frame, where FFXIV introduced more dungeons.

    FFXIV, GW2 and WoW all provide a decent amount of content, and it depends on what matters to you. If # of raid bosses is the most important thing, WoW wins. If PvP matters the most, GW2 probably wins. If story matters the most, FFXIV probably wins.
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    My bad then. I guess instead of never, I will rephrase and say "recently". DPS queues in WoW are generally shorter than DPS queues in FFXIV, but not significantly so. To get into expert roulette in FFXIV in 3.4 takes ~14 minutes. To get into a heroic random in WoW in 7.0 takes ~8 minutes.
    Well they are in the beginning launch of a new class which shifts things. DRKs release even had DPS being the adventurer in need lol. Do you remember what things were like in the middle of last expansion? I played during WoW's peak subscriber time, and I wasn't exaggerating how long DPS queues were. Tanks would even sell their presence to run with on my server.
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    Well they are in the beginning launch of a new class which shifts things. DRKs release even had DPS being the adventurer in need lol. Do you remember what things were like in the middle of last expansion? I played during WoW's peak subscriber time, and I wasn't exaggerating how long DPS queues were. Tanks would even sell their presence to run with on my server.
    Not sure how much longer I'll keep this going. I fear that I may hit my daily forum cap (ugh).

    Anyway, I do remember last expansion. My experiences are mostly talking about now, but I was also DPS queuing for heroic dungeons a few months ago (tail end of WoD, ~March to Present) and had similar experiences.

    I also liked that you can line up queues. For example, queue up LFR for 5 different entries, and as soon as your first LFR is done, your queue is instantly up on the next one. That was pretty cool. Granted, DPS on LFR did take quite awhile (20-30 minutes, sometimes a bit more).

    Been doing WT on healer and most of my queue times for older content has been 20-30 minutes (i.e. T1, A7, A3, Garuda EX etc.)
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    Last edited by Kaurie; 10-12-2016 at 02:05 AM.

  7. #47
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    M'telihgo Feilyon
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    Faerie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post

    -SNIP-
    I am at pretty much the same place. I mostly play this game for the fluff anymore. It wasn't always this way, but I have accepted that it is the true endgame and I don't care anymore.

    I would love to see unique stats again, I would love to see gear that grows with us as we do content (tomestone replacement, not the same as relic). I lost faith in seeing anything unique for gear in this game some time ago.

    Even with that, I have no plans to unsubscribe.
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    Last edited by Istaru; 10-12-2016 at 02:45 AM.
    #GetSelliBack2018

    Reading too much of the forums makes me very sad and apathetic.

  8. #48
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    Dumbledore Md
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang View Post
    Quote me where i say i hate yoshida or im unhappy with this game. Ill wait for you. Or better not, is evident you don't know how to read.
    You dont hate him but just want him to step down or be fired haha ok ill block you now so my iq dosn't drop reading any more of your posts
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  9. #49
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    Elim Lovecraft
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    If they decide to make more more overworld content, I sure hope it's nothing like hunts or FATE grinds. On my server hunts do not even last 30 seconds when they're relevant. More like 5~ seconds. It's a massive headache, with dozens of americans spewing hate at each other. Hopefully they add something like maps instead, where a player activates an event and only people in his party can participate.

    Although I personally don't feel disconnected from the overworld. I always get dragged a long for maps, get dragged to hunts(I'll sometimes teleport to my bondmate when he randomly stumbles across one), gather mats, help friends, kill stuff for my weekly chocobo challenge, or do dalies when I want tokens for something. Actually I feel like I spend a lot of time in the overworld.
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  10. #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    I am at pretty much the same place. I mostly play this game for the fluff anymore. It wasn't always this way, but I have accepted that it is the true endgame and I don't care anymore.

    Even with that, I have no plans to unsubscribe.
    I struggle to understand how this is enough motivation to dump your free time into. As a grown man, playing virtual barbie or dress up does not sound the least bit enjoyable to me. If I had to accept the fact that "well the game is all about acquiring new dresses and boots" I would stop logging in that day. I would rather play Pong at that point.
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