Yoshida, The Creator: Savage is the worst tuning ever in an MMO

[Riardon]

I feel like more people are being carried then they would like to admit. People still wipe and wipe HARD on the normal raids. I'm gonna say it can't be that easy. IF people are still wiping on normal mode.

You will not believe how many people don't know how to play and despite how easy content will be they will always be people who fail. There are also people who fail because it is their 1st or 2nd try and they still didn't figure out the battle. Also some others fail due to real life reasons (like they are not focused very well on the game, or lags real lags I mean). There are many reasons people fail. The Normal raid is very very easy. I did all them with the first try on 2nd day patch was out with a group with all first timers. Though I admit I had really nice players with me. After 4 wipes we figured out the fight. Still I think the 2nd Alex Normal was more fun that this.

[Reynhart]

Ya, if XIV is going to have any achievements/rewards in that respect, which they already do have in a slight sense, it would be completing it with min IL.

Personally, I'd also give a bonus reward for queuing with less than the maximum number of participants (The highest bonus would be achieved by queuing solo). The idea would be to give more incentive to run with strangers.
This could be more gils, more Xp, more tomestone, etc...With the first time bonus and the second chance on Wondrous Tails, people are more newbie friendly these days, let's encourage that even more.

[cammi]

:C

Why is it ALWAYS - they must be bad cause I can do it and I think it's easy- WHY? Ever think maybe just MAYBE what's easy for you isn't easy to billy job bob? I'm not attacking you, but I DO strongly disagree with your point. Can you beat all sonic games with OUT losing one ring? In one setting and no deaths? I sure as hell can't. - and I mean ALL sonic games- I'm sure someone can, and it might even be super easy for THEM. But hell I'm not doing that shat. Yes I know they eased the raids up from last patch. But if I'm remembering it correctly last patch people complained that they were too HARD. Now it's too easy? I'm not going to speak for everyone, but whats easy for you and them and joe doesn't mean mark, Candy and Ryu have it easier.

[Reynhart]

Why is it ALWAYS - they must be bad cause I can do it and I think it's easy

Remember that, whatever you do in a game, there's a 6 year old japanese that does it better

[cammi]

That's my point tho. Everyone wants to cry easy cause THEY can do it. " I can do it so you should too" Well why don't I spin that for real world then. I was blown up in a truck overseas and I didn't break under pressure, or die. I was able to shoot to defend my spot ... so you should too its EASY." See how unfair that is? I don't care if it's an unfair example.. it proves my point. Just cause I was able to live and survive a horrible experience like that doesn't mean the next person can react and act like I can cause I thought it was "easy"

Yes I know I'm being abit black and white with no shade... but so are most of you guys. I'm just trying to say it's not all black and white like everyone is making it out to be. But noone is willing to look at it that way.

[Watachy]

SNIP

I do understand that people learn slower than others and can be bothered with some mechanics: just say it, there is no shame to advice your party that you aren't confortable enough with a fight.
If someone ask for advice or tips, hell yeah i will help them if i can.

When i said "people that wants a carry" i was basically talking about people who are not avoiding unecessary damages, ain't using a good/proper rotation and spam some random skills and wait for the team to the rest of the stuff. That's basically the same people you wanna give some tips/advice after a wipe and won't even respond to you or feel that your attacking them saying their rotation/positionning is not good and they can improve it.

[cammi]

I do understand that people learn slower than others and can be bothered with some mechanics: just say it, there is no shame to advice your party that you aren't confortable enough with a fight.
If someone ask for advice or tips, hell yeah i will help them if i can.

When i said "people that wants a carry" i was basically talking about people who are not avoiding unecessary damages, ain't using a good/proper rotation and spam some random skills and wait for the team to the reste of the stuff. That's basically the same people you wanna give some tips/advice after a wipe and won't even respond to your or feel that your attacking them saying their rotation/positionning is not good and they can improve it.

I hope there's no bad blood, I'm just sick of everything being black or white here. I know I can't change anything and all that but it does get under my skin abit too much. I don't even know WHY it gets under my skin too much but it does.

[Watachy]

I hope there's no bad blood, I'm just sick of everything being black or white here. I know I can't change anything and all that but it does get under my skin abit too much. I don't even know WHY it gets under my skin too much but it does.

There is not much, IMO the fight is as difficult as Gordias 4 and Midas 4 when they were launched. After a few weeks, everybody might knows the fight and avoid all the unecessary damages.
I love this fight and litterally went in after my weekly clears just to experience it one more time. But you can't say this is REALLY difficult, as i said, if people knows the mechanics and what to do, you won't wipe anymore (like all the other fights).
The few wipes you can experience these days will happen because people haven't practiced the fight that much or haven't understand how to deal with all the mechanics yet.

[Kietsu]

So in regards to the title:
You clearly haven't seen WoW's newest Mythic.

[Velhart]

The DEVs just can't win... XD

The complaint people have is more of that the ilvl240 gear has been able to push phases instead of just being able to ensure you can meet certain checks, when usually higher level gear was needed to do this.

I feel like more people are being carried then they would like to admit. People still wipe and wipe HARD on the normal raids. I'm gonna say it can't be that easy. IF people are still wiping on normal mode.

Because this game does a poor job in getting players to better themselves even for content as simple as story mode raids. When you barely offer content that asks you to perform more than the minimal your job requires, then expect more and more bad players to join in. Of course adding more challenging content will not completely resolve the issue, but it is very clear that SE at this point likes to cater more to bad players than offering a fair challenge in casual content. Relic had to be dumbed down, dungeons have to be dumbed down, and so on.

Why is it ALWAYS - they must be bad cause I can do it and I think it's easy- WHY? Ever think maybe just MAYBE what's easy for you isn't easy to billy job bob? I'm not attacking you, but I DO strongly disagree with your point. Can you beat all sonic games with OUT losing one ring? In one setting and no deaths? I sure as hell can't. - and I mean ALL sonic games- I'm sure someone can, and it might even be super easy for THEM. But hell I'm not doing that shat. Yes I know they eased the raids up from last patch. But if I'm remembering it correctly last patch people complained that they were too HARD. Now it's too easy? I'm not going to speak for everyone, but whats easy for you and them and joe doesn't mean mark, Candy and Ryu have it easier.

Sure, but you need to know where to draw the line in terms of properly challenging someone, even at a basic level. Doing something like grinding among grinding a certain piece of content is not considered challenging, it is simply tedious work which only requires your patience. You can challenge someone and not have it feel overwhelming. You also shouldn't base design on select people who are so bad at the game that even simplest mechanics wipe them.