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  1. #21
    Player
    Duelle's Avatar
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    Duelle Urelle
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    Diabolos
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Pets can work, you just need a good framework for them. Pets doing 90% of the work is insanely difficult to balance, and with certain player behaviors seen here, it's probably for the better that we don't have anything like it.

    That said, beastmaster is possible. It's not the best concept ever, but I still think this has merit to it.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

  2. #22
    Player ErikMynhier's Avatar
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    Erik Mynhier
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Instead of another pet, I hear more from friends who play asking for pet glamour and to a lesser extent a conjoined-separation of the jobs.

    I have no real opinion myself as I don't play the jobs myself.
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  3. #23
    Player Kaurie's Avatar
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    Kaurie Lorhart
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    Leviathan
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by ErikMynhier View Post
    Instead of another pet, I hear more from friends who play asking for pet glamour and to a lesser extent a conjoined-separation of the jobs.

    I have no real opinion myself as I don't play the jobs myself.
    As a SMN / SCH main, pet glamours seem neat, but I would much rather prefer more pets to summon. I'd like to have a bigger focus of my job as a SMN to be summoning very pets. That'd mean pet summons need faster cast times, different pets would have various strengths (or just swap based on cooldowns which aren't shared), a bunch more pets added, MP reduced on summoning etc. I just doesn't seem like that is in the cards, though.

    All of that said, I think we're talking about adding an entirely new pet job, not just new pets.
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  4. #24
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    Laerune's Avatar
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    Yu Zeneolsia
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    Ragnarok
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I just want a pet-class where the player is controling the pet actions more and the pet is the center of the class and not the player.
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  5. #25
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    Roth_Trailfinder's Avatar
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    Roth Trailfinder
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    Midgardsormr
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigcat9715 View Post
    Isn't the tank having a pet an American idea, and is rarely seen elsewhere? The only games that come to mind that has a Tank class that has a pet is DCUO(rock power) and Wild Star(engineer).
    Everquest has three tank classes : Warrior, Paladin, Shadow Knight. Of those three, Shadow Knights actually have pets, though they are little more than ambulatory, mana-efficient DoTs. There's also the Warrior's short duration "pet" that does everything it can to generate hate for a brief time then goes *poof* transferring every point of hate generated to the Warrior. I do not know how long that "pet" lasts though its not long.
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  6. #26
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    Nebulon Gumball
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    Remember Titan Egi and Ramuh Ex? Yeah they want you to use Pets alright.

    Only thing they did was fix Radiant Shield for HW and maybe something else. Stuff that should have been fixed in 2.0. Plus those Tank Enmity changes? Did Titan Egi get enmity changes? NOPE.

    All they see with the Pet is Garuda Contagion duty for the basis of DoT upkeep because it really is about spreading famine and disease and upkeeping it forever.

    Reflected in the PotD sprite that shows only Garuda. Clearly the only one you should be using.

    But what do they talk about? Egi glamour. EGI GLAMOUR.
    The whole Titan egi and Ramuh ex thing is probably why they won't increase the enmity it generates, because it was allowing people to skip mechanics. So that's probably why we aren't going to see Titan egi anywhere else besides the open world.

    They not only changed Radiant Shield, but also increased the radius on flaming crush. It used to barely hit 2 enemies standing next to each other, but that wasn't changed until 3.0.

    I honestly think they are going to do something about contagion. The move is too good not to use, and with pet glamour coming out they are going to have to do something about it to make us use Ifrit just as much as garuda. I only see 3 outcomes from this:

    1. They remove contagion from Garuda and give it to the player.

    2. Remove Contagion completely

    3. Ifrit egi gets his own version of contagion

    But like I said they will have to do something about balancing the pets, and this is exactly why I think that Smn and Sch are going to be the only pet classes in this game. The Devs either hate pet classes or it just way too hard to balance.

    Also the thing I find the saddest about the class is that when you google Summoner Ifrit egi is clearly the poster Egi, but yet they still have yet to make him just as viable as Garuda egi...

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    Last edited by Bigcat9715; 10-11-2016 at 02:44 AM.

  7. #27
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    Felis's Avatar
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigcat9715 View Post
    I love Smn and Sch they both are my mains...but it did have a rough time before 3.0.

    -Well for starters SMN wasn't even supposed to be in the game until the community got involved. There was only going to be Sch. That's why Smn has a raise.
    It was the other way. They announced Arcanist and Summoner for ARR during the Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary event (2012), but kept the Scholar as a secret.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_737hYbSCEs

    And SMN have a raise because it is an Arcanist skill.
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  8. #28
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    Nebulon Gumball
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    It was the other way. They announced Arcanist and Summoner for ARR during the Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary event (2012), but kept the Scholar as a secret.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_737hYbSCEs

    And SMN have a raise because it is an Arcanist skill.
    Oh, really? Whoops! I'll edit it. Thank you
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    Last edited by Bigcat9715; 10-11-2016 at 03:15 AM.

  9. #29
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    Ragna Blackmane
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    Mateus
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    Warrior Lv 60
    A beastmaster tank would be sweet. I see them using big claw weapons like Shamans in WoW.
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  10. #30
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    Chalbeaux Maxime
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    Ultros
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    I agree that contagion kind of throws a wrench in any discussion about variety with SMN. They gave Ifrit a buff to it's auto-attack in 3.3 (I think? Maybe it was 3.2?) but that still doesn't make up for how nice contagion is to have. If they made contagion a player skill and gave Garuda something else -which I am firmly in favor of- then we might see li'l Satan in more places. As it is now, the only time I ever see Ifrit is in a pug with two summoners. But, that might continue on the path that they've been on, making the pet more and more of an accessory. In which case, OP is right; a new pet job is probably not in the cards.
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