Yoshida, The Creator: Savage is the worst tuning ever in an MMO

[Reynhart]

This is fine so long as you replace the tome gear with a equal ilvl set obtainable by whatever is fitting. I personally enjoy min maxing gear and dont want to be shoehorned into wearing only one set because it has the highest ilevel.

This is another problem altogether and a consequence of really poor secondary stats. Since primary stats are automatically tied to ilvl, it would have been far more interesting to give them less impact that secondary stats.

Previous post updated with ilvl examples

And, for the record, I'd add food and medecine that you could buy with tomestones so that you'd still have a reason to farm them in odd patches, on top of already existing materials and relic items.

[Aquaslash]

This is another problem altogether and a consequence of really poor secondary stats. Since primary stats are automatically tied to ilvl, it would have been far more interesting to give them less impact that secondary stats.

Previous post updated with ilvl examples

And, for the record, I'd add food and medecine that you could buy with tomestones so that you'd still have a reason to farm them in odd patches, on top of already existing materials and relic items.

The only thing I would change about that is to add an infusion system. The idea is that you find a piece of gear that you really like and feed a higher level piece of gear to it. The lower gear then scales to the same level as the gear you fed to it, while keeping its own attributes.

That way dungeon gear stays relevant as you could possibly find a really good roll, and you have incentive to run the higher content to continually upgrade that gear. Of course this means they need to rework secondaries (again) but they should be doing that anyway

[Velhart]

I guess people did not care for my achievement idea. The solution to raiding is simply Normal > Hard > Savage. Until SE is able to make that happen, raiding's scaling and difficulty are always going to be a mixed bag.

If we assume they stick to Normal > Hard, then the achievement system should really be a must. Progress normally like you do in Creator, but to pull off things to get specific achievements in the raid, you need to meet certain higher expectations in skill and gear composition to pull it off. I don't mean the achievement you get at the end for completing it. I mean like what WoW does when you pull off a hard feat you wouldn't normally do in the fight, but get an achievement/reward for doing so.

The achievements can give titles, minions, and mounts. I would even argue that in terms of reward structure, you put some generic looking dungeon gear in Normal mode, then put the actual raid armor set in Hard. Earn the achievement in that raid turn, then the items to let you dye the raid gear be in the chest. It can work if SE makes it fun and it requires very minimal extra work on their end, letting them make something for the midcore scene, and adding that extra topping for the hardcore.

Again, adding an extra difficulty mode is the best solution, but the achievement system would be a great thing to have if SE isn't willing to dish the extra difficulty tier.

[Reynhart]

The only thing I would change about that is to add an infusion system. The idea is that you find a piece of gear that you really like and feed a higher level piece of gear to it. The lower gear then scales to the same level as the gear you fed to it, while keeping its own attributes.

As the secondary are now, this would indeed be useless.

That reminds me of how gear works in Lightning Returns. They all have basic stats, but once you have access to the forge, previous gear can match or even surpass high level gear thanks to good upgrades. Of crouse, the lower the gear, the longer it would take to be full powered.

[Dzian]

I guess people did not care for my achievement idea. The solution to raiding is simply Normal > Hard > Savage. Until SE is able to make that happen, raiding's scaling and difficulty are always going to be a mixed bag.

If we assume they stick to Normal > Hard, then the achievement system should really be a must. Progress normally like you do in Creator, but to pull off things to get specific achievements in the raid, you need to meet certain higher expectations in skill and gear composition to pull it off. I don't mean the achievement you get at the end for completing it. I mean like what WoW does when you pull off a hard feat you wouldn't normally do in the fight, but get an achievement/reward for doing so.

The achievements can give titles, minions, and mounts. I would even argue that in terms of reward structure, you put some generic looking dungeon gear in Normal mode, then put the actual raid armor set in Hard. Earn the achievement in that raid turn, then the items to let you dye the raid gear be in the chest. It can work if SE makes it fun and it requires very minimal extra work on their end, letting them make something for the midcore scene, and adding that extra topping for the hardcore.

Again, adding an extra difficulty mode is the best solution, but the achievement system would be a great thing to have if SE isn't willing to dish the extra difficulty tier.

Would this be anything like what existed in 1.2s dungeons.

for example if you simply completed AV you got an achievement. if you also did extra stuff like complete it without using fruits you got another achievement and if you cleared it in the speedrun time for the extra loot chests you got another?

[CrystalRainbow]

Think if it like this. A12 is just as hard as everything else. The Player base is getting so much better.

That glass is 1/2 full!

[Velhart]

Would this be anything like what existed in 1.2s dungeons.

for example if you simply completed AV you got an achievement. if you also did extra stuff like complete it without using fruits you got another achievement and if you cleared it in the speedrun time for the extra loot chests you got another?

Yes similar to that. I think more of WoW's achievement system within raids, but you are in the right ball park.

[Reynhart]

Yes similar to that. I think more of WoW's achievement system within raids, but you are in the right ball park.

I'm not sure I'd like to see speedruns rewarded. It already makes some people act like jerks.

[Ultimatecalibur]

They should just start by creating 3 difficulty modes: Normal - Brutal - Savage for raids, and then i think the raiding scene would improve.

Just having 3 tiers is unlikely to help if they end up serving unbalanced portions of the population.

In a 2 tier raid scene the population clearing objectives should be something like 50%(NM)/25%(S) and a 3 tier should be 50%(NM)/25%(HM)/12%(S) which is far from the pre-3.4 50%/3%.

[Zojha]

I'm not sure I'd like to see speedruns rewarded. It already makes some people act like jerks.

So does every sort of PUG-able content that has a realistic chance of failure. Especially in a team scenario - it's why MOBAs and PvP in general are renown for their toxicity.