A12 savage World first 3 days after patch

[SublimeIbanez]

Let's make sure we're on the same page.

Let's get the first part straight, Gordias, while difficult, was not a good raid tier. It was ARTIFICIALLY difficult because it relied upon gear caps to be able to pass certain aspects of the fights, and thus relied very little on mechanical skill. Midas, was a decent raid tier which did a great job at relying on mechanical skill to pass, but the problem was the fights (and Alexander in general) was boring. This tier is too easy because mechanical skill isn't necessarily required and is far too forgiving, but I will say that the fights are more fun than the prior two tiers. When people are complaining about something being too easy, they're looking for a mechanically intensive challenge (i.e. Second Coil and Second Coil Savage), which challenges their abilities to be coordinated while still providing a little bit of leeway and uniqueness to the fights; it helps if the fights themselves are rather fun.

[Pasquale]

Let's make sure we're on the same page.

Let's get the first part straight, Gordias, while difficult, was not a good raid tier. It was ARTIFICIALLY difficult because it relied upon gear caps to be able to pass certain aspects of the fights, and thus relied very little on mechanical skill. Midas, was a decent raid tier which did a great job at relying on mechanical skill to pass, but the problem was the fights (and Alexander in general) was boring. This tier is too easy because mechanical skill isn't necessarily required and is far too forgiving, but I will say that the fights are more fun than the prior two tiers. When people are complaining about something being too easy, they're looking for a mechanically intensive challenge (i.e. Second Coil and Second Coil Savage)

So you agree with me? A good solution was Midas difficult ( maybe just a bit less dps check but not like these : 0 checks) + Creator design?

[Kaurie]

So you agree with me? A good solution was Midas difficult ( maybe just a bit less dps check but not like these : 0 checks) + Creator design?

Yeah, the problem with Midas wasn't difficulty really, it was just that you had to sometimes enter A6S.

[Yukiko]

So you agree with me? A good solution was Midas difficult ( maybe just a bit less dps check but not like these : 0 checks) + Creator design?

You should go DF groups on NORMAL...
Seeing enrage in 3 of 5 games and not enough DPS against Adds... doesnt matter which one, seen wipes in all of them!

Edit: You saying 0 checks - i guess: you are knowing that you lie!

[yamochan]

alex down after 3 days ... how far we have come -.-*

i mean honestly its not really rocked sience. i get it that a3s maybe was a bit to hard and broke some raid groups but to turn down the diffitulcy even more after what we had in midas is just ridiculus. i just hope SE hurrys with the new expansion now because people will start to run off if they dont see a challenge anymore. and no i dont count it as a chellange if you clear wipe city on a monday. also is anyone else up for savage modes of the 24 people raids because we will need something to do in a month or two after we all have max gear and that would be one idea to hold the players.

[Jetstream_Fox]

While I don't see this as EoL for the game, it might be a shift of design philosophy, which in turn is something they should have been implementing earlier, rather at the twilight of the final few patches in 3.0

[Sparktacus]

alex down after 3 days ... how far we have come -.-*

i mean honestly its not really rocked sience. i get it that a3s maybe was a bit to hard and broke some raid groups but to turn down the diffitulcy even more after what we had in midas is just ridiculus. i just hope SE hurrys with the new expansion now because people will start to run off if they dont see a challenge anymore. and no i dont count it as a chellange if you clear wipe city on a monday. also is anyone else up for savage modes of the 24 people raids because we will need something to do in a month or two after we all have max gear and that would be one idea to hold the players.

A lot of the problem with Midas was the damage done in Gordias. A lot of the truly committed raiders stayed and were mostly happy with Midas cept some issues I see recur on the forums. Mostly mech vomit in A8 and A6 being a wall. However by that time it was only the 1% that really cared.

They [devs] thought by getting rid of dps checks the raiding community would magically heal itself. It wasn't until they were forced [by the community] to reevaluate their own raid design decisions that Creator Savage took shape and tbh it was probably one of the better decisions they could have made.

[Pasquale]

You should go DF groups on NORMAL...
Seeing enrage in 3 of 5 games and not enough DPS against Adds... doesnt matter which one, seen wipes in all of them!

Edit: You saying 0 checks - i guess: you are knowing that you lie!

Infact this time Normal mode looks like a bit harder that's why i call creator Normal+ mode

[Olympus]

Since plenty of people are complaining that some of us are whining about the ease, without going in, my MIDCORE raid group finally went in and cleared A9 and A10 cold, on 2 consecutive nights--something we've never done before with our 3-ish hour raids.

Oh, and we probably got through a third of the way through A11S after clearing A10...and while the fight (thankfully) looks a little harder (can it last us through the month at 9 hrs / week? I can hope, but I'm not holding my breath), our fears so far seem to be confirmed--this patch will be finished so early, I hope the expansion is coming before Christmas to keep us all interested.

[Pasquale]

Since plenty of people are complaining that some of us are whining about the ease, without going in, my MIDCORE raid group finally went in and cleared A9 and A10 cold, on 2 consecutive nights--something we've never done before with our 3-ish hour raids.

Oh, and we probably got through a third of the way through A11S after clearing A10...and while the fight (thankfully) looks a little harder (can it last us through the month at 9 hrs / week? I can hope, but I'm not holding my breath), our fears so far seem to be confirmed--this patch will be finished so early, I hope the expansion is coming before Christmas to keep us all interested.

Thath's the point , expansion won't come before 6 months and look , most of midcore statics are about to finish A11s not even 1 week after patch ( and some people keep saying the difficult is fine looool)