Yoshida, The Creator: Savage is the worst tuning ever in an MMO

[Reynhart]

I have a question for raiders.

If you can comfortably clear Creator with Midas/Lore gear and you know that you won't have any harder content before level 70 in the next expansion, where you'll buy better gear from new NPCs in the meantime, what incentive do you have to farm Creator each week ?

[ChocoFeru]

I have a question for raiders.

If you can comfortably clear Creator with Midas/Lore gear and you know that you won't have any harder content before level 70 in the next expansion, where you'll buy better gear from new NPCs in the meantime, what incentive do you have to farm Creator each week ?

My incentive clearing content is not gear, but having a challenge to complete with my mates.
Content gets boring if it's too hard, and it gets even worse when the difficulty is artifficial (like gearcheck) so I'm OK with the actual content, where skilled people can get to skip phases, while others that doesn't know how to DPS higher has to deal with additional mechanics to compensate.


What am I going to do after completing the raid? Keep doing other content.

I think you guys have a problem with MMOs in general, and it's called "itemwhorism". You care too much about items that increases your stats, for no reason at all, because when you've already completed the hardest content; why the hell do you need more gear?

This game offers a lot of different content, yet you choose to skip it because it doesn't give you a shining gear that increases your stats.


You should tell me WHY do you need to get full ilv270 when you've already completed the full raid at, let's say, ilv260. ¿Diadem? ¿Soloing dungeons? I can't think of anything else.

[Pasquale]

Explain me these other contents we miss

[ChocoFeru]

Explain me these other contents we miss

You'll end up laughing about it because you're only focused on an specific content, but let's do it anyways;

Chocobo Racing to get a full 4 Stars Chocobo and winning the Chocobo Headgear and the barding, completing all the challenges, and farm for MGP prices.

Do PVP for the achievements/mount, get PVP gear as glamour, or just play for fun.

The Feast, to get into the 100 first ones in your datacenter where every combat is challenging, so you can get the Lone Wolf set, the Mini-Airship mount and who knows, maybe the #1 trophy.

Lord of Vermillion wasn't a success, but yet it's fun and you can do, at least, the challenges in the turorial to get the Twintania minion.

Palace of the Dead. It's still at floor 50 and every reward is just glamour, but it will be challenging content with the 200 floors and the ranking table.

Gearing up all the crafters/gatherers to craft/gather your own stuff.

Triple triad. Did you get all the cards? Or atleast won all the NPCs?

What about Vistas? Did you get your Apkallu?

Housing; FC house, personal FC room, personal house or apartment. You can craft/obtain different furnishing by completing content such as extreme content, then use it in your housing place.

Farming minions and mounts, wich makes you complete different content. This one might be the most boring since usually it involves grind, like the Extreme mounts, but still it felt good back then when Kirin was implemented, and it will probably be worth to farm all the actual Extreme ones.

You have a lot of optional quests with their sidequests. You may like one more than others, but still every single one has a story and meaning in the lore (remember this is a MMORPG).

Raiding is fun, I invest just 2h a day, 5 days a week, wich is just 10 hours a week (while hardcore raiders raids 6h+ per day, maybe?) and I'll complete other content even if I finish the actual raid, because raiding is just an option on this game, not everything.

What did you complete on this game? Did you skip any of the mentioned content?

[Reynhart]

My incentive clearing content is not gear, but having a challenge to complete with my mates.

But once you've cleared all turns of Creator for two or three consecutives weeks, is there still a challenge ?

What am I going to do after completing the raid? Keep doing other content.

Like what ? Let's suppose that skipping crafting and gathering is a valid option because it's a whole new branch of gameplay that some people don't like, once Savage and Sophia EX are done, you have no new things to do until 3.5. And even then, it won't really be challenging for those who have already cleared Savage.

Now that I think of it, PoTD is getting its update in 3.45, so I suppose this will be the main content people do while waiting for 4.0.

The way I see it, the formula should be changed so that each patch will bring higher items, which means...switching 8-man and 24-man raid. At least, this way, you can say that each patch will give you the gear to jump into the content for the next patch. And they could make Savage version of 24-man raids.

[Zojha]

And they could make Savage version of 24-man raids.

Uhm...I don't think that's a good idea until they improve the alliance feature. Can you even make a full alliance before queuing up? Because otherwise you'd always have randoms and randoms don't mix overly well with Savage style difficulty.

[Remedi]

Uhm...I don't think that's a good idea until they improve the alliance feature. Can you even make a full alliance before queuing up? Because otherwise you'd always have randoms and randoms don't mix overly well with Savage style difficulty.

You can make alliance before queing up for the 24 man raids atm, but imho ther aren't enough players to actually make a 24 man raid scene a reality

[Reynhart]

Uhm...I don't think that's a good idea until they improve the alliance feature. Can you even make a full alliance before queuing up? Because otherwise you'd always have randoms and randoms don't mix overly well with Savage style difficulty.

Yes, you can. Not in the most user friendly way, but you can.

Since Creator is easier than previous tier, we might see more clear from random party on the raid finder. I feel like they're somehow trying to vastly reduce the requirement on static parties to do content, with less emphasis on group mechanics, more forgivable deaths, etc...

[Aquaslash]

I have a question for raiders.

If you can comfortably clear Creator with Midas/Lore gear and you know that you won't have any harder content before level 70 in the next expansion, where you'll buy better gear from new NPCs in the meantime, what incentive do you have to farm Creator each week ?

Having fun? I know that concept is lost to a lot of people these days. There's also getting good enough to sell runs, and personally I like to have the best gear I can get because I'm OCD like that...

Except for the Creator spear. That's a piece of garbage, weapon damage be damned. I'll gamble on the new zeta being 275 when it gets to its final form

Oh and I need that Arrhideus mount cause RISE UP AND SOMETHING SOMETHING PEOPLE

[lulunami]

I have a question for raiders.

If you can comfortably clear Creator with Midas/Lore gear and you know that you won't have any harder content before level 70 in the next expansion, where you'll buy better gear from new NPCs in the meantime, what incentive do you have to farm Creator each week ?

I personally do not care about gear to be honest, although I know other people would be more motivated by gear. I just want to have fun, challenge my own self, have a good attitude that fosters teamwork and communication, play with friends and just beat stuff. Gear in video games are fake and imaginary anyway.