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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    About Mide and Alex
    The problem with time travel is you have to get used to fluidity in the flow of time. It's not too hard to grasp once you do, but it's like this:

    1. Mide, Dayan, and the others are born in the (relatively) recent past. They assemble and summon Alexander.
    2. The events of the Alexander raid play out.
    3. Alexander sends Mide and Dayan into the distant past to live out their lives as members (or possibly as the founders) of the Hotgo tribe, taking with them Roundrox' Codex fragment and the idea of Alexander, leading to 1.

    So, temporally speaking, our distant past is their future. It is, as Quickthinx says, a closed circle, just like with his attempt to make Alexander turn us into ash:

    1. Quickthinx freezes us in time and tries to force Alexander to atomize us.
    2. Our future selves, having been deemed worthy by Alexander, save us from being turned to ash.
    3. We engage Alexander Prime and prove ourselves worthy, allowing our present selves to save our past selves. If we don't, it causes a temporal paradox that kills us.

    Alexander did judge us, just as Quickthinx wanted - in the future - and found us worthy. So he was doomed to fail from the first. The "time is a closed circle" is really funny coming from Quickthinx, when you think about it. For a gobbie clank who considers himself enlightened, he sure is dim if he doesn't understand you can't change the past even with time travel...

    As I said earlier, don't even ask where or when Alexander and Schrodinger / Shanoa began to exist. They're temporal singularities; there is no logical answer.
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    Last edited by Cilia; 10-03-2016 at 02:36 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    The problem with time travel is you have to get used to fluidity in the flow of time. It's not too hard to grasp once you do, but it's like this:

    1. Mide, Dayan, and the others are born in the (relatively) recent past. They assemble and summon Alexander.
    2. The events of the Alexander raid play out.
    3. Alexander sends Mide and Dayan into the distant past to live out their lives as members (or possibly as the founders) of the Hotgo tribe, taking with them Roundrox' Codex fragment and the idea of Alexander, leading to 1.

    So, temporally speaking, our distant past is their future. It is, as Quickthinx says, a closed circle, just like with his attempt to make Alexander turn us into ash:

    1. Quickthinx freezes us in time and tries to force Alexander to atomize us.
    2. Our future selves, having been deemed worthy by Alexander, save us from being turned to ash.
    3. We engage Alexander Prime and prove ourselves worthy, allowing our present selves to save our past selves. If we don't, it causes a temporal paradox that kills us.

    Alexander did judge us, just as Quickthinx wanted - in the future - and found us worthy. So he was doomed to fail from the first. The "time is a closed circle" is really funny coming from Quickthinx, when you think about it. For a gobbie clank who considers himself enlightened, he sure is dim if he doesn't understand you can't change the past even with time travel...

    As I said earlier, don't even ask where or when Alexander and Schrodinger / Shanoa began to exist. They're temporal singularities; there is no logical answer.
    Just one small correction:


    Mide and Dayan never actually summoned Alexander. They attempted the summoning but were interrupted by the future Alexander jumping back in time. The original (and only) summoning of Alexander was when Quickthinx summoned him in the present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberel View Post
    Just one small correction:
    Ohh, okay, that makes sense. So if I get it right, it's like this:
    1. Dayan, Mide, and the other Auri treasure hunters assemble Alexander and attempt to summon him. However, it's actually Alexander from 3 years in the future jumping back in time.
    2. The Illuminati properly summon Alexander, leading to the events of the Alexander raid.
    3. Alexander sends Mide and Dayan back in time with Roundrox' Codex fragment and the idea of Alexander, and they live out their lives as the founders of the Hotgo tribe, leading to 1.


    It all makes sense now! Or at least as much sense as it can when a temporal singularity is involved...

    I think I covered it all in my first assembly of the timeline, which integrated all the loops and details. Why does it taste like copper in here?
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    Last edited by Cilia; 10-03-2016 at 05:19 AM.
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    "There is no hope in stubbornly clinging to the past. It is our duty to face the future and march onward, not retreat inward." -Sovetsky Soyuz, Azur Lane: Snowrealm Peregrination