Make Stone Sky Sea mandatory

[Auteur]

Crazy idea but what if there was like an in-game chart which displayed party member DPS throughout the fight so everyone can easily see which player isn't carrying their weight instead of hiding behind SE's no-hurt-feelings policy?

Newsflash: the negligible hardcore pop is not SE's target audience. Not nearly enough subs from hardcore to justify appealing to them over everyone else and no cash shop to leverage hardcores. Subbased only survives by appealing to everyone; you want to get catered to, go play a F2P grinder and bring a fat wallet for that cash shop.

[Kaurie]

Newsflash: the negligible hardcore pop is not SE's target audience. Not nearly enough subs from hardcore to justify appealing to them over everyone else and no cash shop to leverage hardcores. Subbased only survives by appealing to everyone; you want to get catered to, go play a F2P grinder and bring a fat wallet for that cash shop.

Yeah! If anything, Blizzard has shown us all that you can't have a successful MMO with lots of subscribers if you allow for such horrible things as parsers! Only those crappy F2P with no players have such things.

[Underdog2204]

Yeah! If anything, Blizzard has shown us all that you can't have a successful MMO with lots of subscribers if you allow for such horrible things as parsers! Only those crappy F2P with no players have such things.

Yeah I've seen all the good things it did for balance, group requirements (for classes specifically) and how it stopped people being bad. Oh wait.... -_-

Failures are due to lack of adherence to mechanics mostly not the bogeyman you seem to be chasing.

[Kaurie]

Yeah I've seen all the good things it did for balance, group requirements (for classes specifically) and how it stopped people being bad. Oh wait.... -_-

Failures are due to lack of adherence to mechanics mostly not the bogeyman you seem to be chasing.

And as evidenced, it resulted in WoW's downfall and that is why WoW has barely any subs vs its competitors!

PS: Not sure why a parser would affect balance?
PPS: Group requirements can be absurd in both games, and not in both games (I witness both all the time in both games)
PPPS: Not sure why a parser would stop people from being bad.
PPPPS: I guess if we want to stop people from being bad, we should remove rotations and gear as those are the 2 main causes of poor play!

[Underdog2204]

And as evidenced, it resulted in WoW's downfall and that is why WoW has barely any subs vs its competitors!

PS: Not sure why a parser would affect balance?
PPS: Group requirements can be absurd in both games, and not in both games (I witness both all the time in both games)
PPPS: Not sure why a parser would stop people from being bad.
PPPPS: I guess if we want to stop people from being bad, we should remove rotations and gear as those are the 2 main causes of poor play!

1) Coz people start whining about not being accepted onto groups because x does more dps on y.
2) Same as above
3) Exactly... So what's the point of it again?
4) Hyberbole, you joining clear groups? Don't be surprised if the kill doesn't happen. You joining farm groups? Everyone has cleared already and wipes are down to mechanics usually.... The issue here is? I still fail to see it.

Just for future reference no-one has said it results in lost subs, we are saying it does nothing to fix the problem you have invented in your head.

[Kaurie]

1) Coz people start whining about not being accepted onto groups because x does more on said boss
2) Same as above
3) Exactly... So what's the point of it again?
4) Hyberbole, you joining clear groups? Don't be surprised if the kill doesn't happen. You joining farm groups? Everyone has cleared already and wipes are down to mechanics usually.... The issue here is? I still fail to see it.

Just for future reference no-one has said it results in lost subs, we are saying it does nothing to fix the problem you have invented in your head.

1. So it doesn't affect balance, it just affects people's understanding of balance - which you argue is a bad thing.
2. "Same as above" - both games have this issue, as stated. MCH wasn't allowed in many groups and was actually kicked from existing groups towards the beginning of 3.x. This was despite the MCH actually pulling good DPS. People just had incorrect preconceived notions of what was good and bad. At least the parser validates or invalidates those concerns.
3. The point of a parser is to measure and evaluate performance. Your reasoning for this can vary - but stopping the community as a whole from being bad is a pretty ambitious goal.
4. Yeah Hyperbole. Mostly, I was saying ridiculously stupid arguments, as I thought that's what we were doing. I join clear groups and I am not surprised when a kill doesn't happen. In FFXIV, I'm also not surprised if the lowest DPS player starts yelling at everyone else for not doing enough DPS, or if the healer initiates a kick on the "X class which is expected to be bad (i.e. MCH)" despite them pulling the top DPS etc.

I don't want a parser for clear or farm party finder groups, personally. I just want a parser to evaluate myself and my team accurately. I think that the reasoning against a parser is misguided and ill-conceived.

Actually, Auteur mentioned how SE as a business needs to target to the mass audience. My argument is that the game with the largest audience uses a parser - so having a parser doesn't mean they are not catering to a mass audience.

I didn't invent any problem in my head. What problem do you think I invented?

99.9% of wipes, deaths or avoidable damage are due to messing up mechanics. Until they introduce 8 man SSS with full mechanics it's not going to be as useful as you think.

Oh wait... They have, it's call "the Duty". If you are completely unwilling to put in time learning a fight with others may I suggest that you look at playing one of the solo Final Fantasy games. The very existence of FFXIV is dependent on playing with others who are not carbon copies of you.

You clearly never joined Bismark clear parties back in 3.0 :P

[Underdog2204]

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1) You seen the forums? Yes I call it a bad thing.
2) How many MCH's did you/or have you seens kicked? The "stories" of it were greatly exaggerated and little to no evidence actually shown.
3) Which can be done without it... You win the fight? Gtz you did your job.
4) Soo you just wanna call people out on dps too then? Great -_-

A group one certainly should never be allowed, personal ones I perfectly fine with. But again you haven't answered my question.... How would this help fix the problem you percieve is happening?

Soo... Only you should be able to see the numbers being pulled then? Since your "team" will also include PF groups.

[Xiao_]

I don't want a parser for clear or farm party finder groups, personally. I just want a parser to evaluate myself and my team accurately. I think that the reasoning against a parser is misguided and ill-conceived.

Exactly this. I don't want to bully anyone, having hard numbers behind how well I'm doing shows me whether I need to improve or not. Of course it doesn't tell me HOW to improve, but it's still very useful.