The chance of winning the 3 lines reward of Wondrous Tails is ridiculously low

[Alistaire]

That doesnt mean that people will get the items because its rng...

That's got nothing to do with the correction I was making.

1. Guy says people shouldn't complain that it's rng because there's very little effort involved.
2. Person 2 misses the point and says "effort =/= rng". Misses the point because the effort talked about is the work done to get the rng chances to win.

People are complaining it's RNG is like people in real life complaining the lotto is RNG when the only effort involved is going to the store and getting a $5 ticket. Of course with that little effort you can't be guaranteed a big payoff; that's the whole point of a lotto.

[Yukiko]

People are complaining it's RNG is like people in real life complaining the lotto is RNG when the only effort involved is going to the store and getting a $5 ticket. Of course with that little effort you can't be guaranteed a big payoff; that's the whole point of a lotto.

WTF you are talking about?
If i win in lotto i can play FFXIV for more than 10 years FREE...
NOTHING they can give us to equally this rarity!

Trading Card games and any other collectability things are rare because you can SELL them, but all we get is TRASH (glamour).
Do you even play any serious MMO? You should have noticed ALL of them using a net to catch those unlucky players who always roll bad on RNG, hell it is tradition!
Did you ever play a D&D boardgame? You should know then how combat with a dice is calculated and how stats can backup bad rolls, some games even use event cards to catch unlucky players!

[Alistaire]

WTF you are talking about?
If i win in lotto i can play FFXIV for more than 10 years FREE...
NOTHING they can give us to equally this rarity!

Trading Card games and any other collectability things are rare because you can SELL them, but all we get is TRASH (glamour).
Do you even play any serious MMO? You should have noticed ALL of them using a net to catch those unlucky players who always roll bad on RNG, hell it is tradition!
Did you ever play a D&D boardgame? You should know then how combat with a dice is calculated and how stats can backup bad rolls, some games even use event cards to catch unlucky players!

The entitlement here is off the charts. I've been playing MMO's since they were text-based. D&D and Palladium rpgs before that. You'd have to have a terrible GM to just hand out the best stuff available just because you showed up.

[silentwindfr]

The entitlement here is off the charts. I've been playing MMO's since they were text-based. D&D and Palladium rpgs before that. You'd have to have a terrible GM to just hand out the best stuff available just because you showed up.

you don't get the token for free or simply by going to buy stuff, you need to go complet duty for earn this. however the reward is random. you can get something nice or simply bad reward for age. that how rng is played.
in D&D a mj know when he must stop to use rng, if your player chain bad roll (what can happend often) you are forced to change your story for not make it frustrating. soo far SE is making tons of RNG content, but have fail to put in place anti frustration counter part.

because i must remember you that we are customer first.... and when the customer is only showed content with high degree of frustration people don't stay or simply ignore this. saying right now that puting all behind rng is bad is not that strange, it's quite normal and must be listened. or this content will be another niche content that will soon only be used by less of 10% of the community.

and we are not talking about the reward by itself, but about the system that will mostly lead people to be frustrated or simply not wanting to partake this sort of content. not everyone like gambling, it was said countless, personally i hate gambling and i'm tired to see that FF14 get more and more and more and more gambling system. japanese like this, but that not case of everyone and it will nice to remember that not everyone is from japan nor gambling lover.

any effort you put into the game, deserve reward, the fact that the reward is behind another rng shit... because i need to call it like this... is tiring and make me not wanting to partake into it. you like gambling fine, but thanks to respect people that simply don't want more gambling, gold saucer is the place for gambling, we don't need more gambling stuff outside the gold saucer!

ps: like said, i don't care for the reward, i'm only concerned by this will to put everything behind gambling junk. we need more stuff that effort = reward. because doing the 16 duty is an effort. make the reward after this a gambling is a bad idea! very bad idea!

[Genaxx]

People are complaining it's RNG is like people in real life complaining the lotto is RNG when the only effort involved is going to the store and getting a $5 ticket. Of course with that little effort you can't be guaranteed a big payoff; that's the whole point of a lotto.

My argument is that it's quite a lot of effort, doing all those duties and still only relying on rng to gain something, when I could just spend less time crafting the item. A better comparison is the cactpot to the lottery, all I have to do is go buy a ticket, if I don't win, tough luck, try again.

All im saying is, effort should equal reward.

And looking at those rewards? I don't see much point in doing it.

[Alistaire]

My argument is that it's quite a lot of effort

See here's why we're arguing here. None of this stuff shown is new content so there's almost literally no effort. Some of these are even soloable. Most you wouldn't even remotely need a full party.

And that 1/470 chance becomes about 1/100 with these 9 "second chance points" used. Even without 3 lines, even without 2 lines, if those 2 items for 1 line are mhachi matter (they're the right icon), that's 1m+ considering how much tier 5 demand is going to go up. Just how much better than that do you feel entitled to for old content?

[Genaxx]

See here's why we're arguing here. None of this stuff shown is new content so there's almost literally no effort. Some of these are even soloable. Most you wouldn't even remotely need a full party.

And that 1/470 chance becomes about 1/100 with these 9 "second chance points" used. Even without 3 lines, even without 2 lines, if those 2 items for 1 line are mhachi matter (they're the right icon), that's 1m+ considering how much tier 5 demand is going to go up. Just how much better than that do you feel entitled to for old content?

Perhaps I should have said time instead of effort then, im not saying the content is difficult, its time consuming. And since this game is apparently designed for players who don't have that much time. I don't see much incentive for people to do it, since it will require; roulettes, dungeons, trials, Ex content, alexander, coil, raids and pvp.

Edit:

We obviously have different opinions on what is of value. I could make 20 mil with the time spent trying to get those 2 Grade V's worth 1 mil...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Perhaps I should have said time instead of effort then, im not saying the content is difficult, its time consuming. And since this game is apparently designed for players who don't have that much time. I don't see much incentive for people to do it, since it will require; roulettes, dungeons, trials, Ex content, alexander, coil, raids and pvp.

Looking at the one line award. I can put a couple hours "effort" into this and possibly get free grade materia V. So... in some way, I almost hope enough feel the same way as you. More gil for me if the grade V materia market doesn't sink.

That being said, .20% is silly. Like I said earlier, you could bump it up to 1-5% to make it semi-decent.