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    Well obviously they would be immune, but I didn't see how that restriction would make them unwelcome in groups.
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    Fiona Greentear
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    inb4 500 potency Gravity with 2 seconds cast/recast
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    Worst thing you can do in a videogame is affect its gameplay negatively for bs lore purposes. Asking gravity to do 25% of a target is like being content with having longer PVP frontline queues because lol GC companies. Might as well ask for a "Death" spell that actually instakills stuff because that's what the Death spell is supposed to do.
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  4. #254
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    Ariyon Durandel
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    The problem isn't whether healers 'should' DPS, because there's too many things to take into account when making that statement: healer's skill, how well tanks manage their cooldowns, size of the pulls, difficulty of the content (DF versus something like Midas Savage), connection speed, gear quality, etc.

    Can they DPS? Absolutely. The problem is how people try to convey this point, because I see so many people on forums and in-game stating it as if healers must do damage or they're playing incorrectly, and that's as ignorant as it gets. Is it less than optimal? Sure. But it's not a requirement. If it were you'd think SCH and AST would have been given their own DPS stance instead of leaving it as an optional cross-class ability, or they'd make healer spells scale to MND instead of INT.

    A healer that doesn't DPS isn't playing wrong, they're just not playing the way you want them to.
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  5. #255
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariyon View Post
    A healer that doesn't DPS isn't playing wrong, they're just not playing the way you want them to.
    Yes, because a Scholar auto-following a tank in Satasha while going AFK and letting his fairy do all the healing is an acceptable form of playing and I'm such a horrible person for expecting the bare minimum of ABC and not overhealing.

    If you are ABCing and not overhealing and you aren't ever casting DPS spells...your tank sucks.
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  6. #256
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    Ariyon Durandel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersun View Post
    Yes, because a Scholar auto-following a tank in Satasha while going AFK and letting his fairy do all the healing is an acceptable form of playing and I'm such a horrible person for expecting the bare minimum of ABC and not overhealing.

    If you are ABCing and not overhealing and you aren't ever casting DPS spells...your tank sucks.
    Ignoring the fact that a SCH who does that is susceptible to the inactivity penalty and getting automatically removed, any party who willingly allows that to happen is just as much to blame as the healer who did it in the first place. We have the option to vote players out for a reason. While the healer in your example is obviously lazy, I'd say the problem there lies with people who allow SCH to get away with that kind of nonsense in the first place. But we're talking healers in general. Can they DPS? Sure. Is it useful? I think that goes without saying. Is it a requirement that they DPS? Not at all.
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  7. #257
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    Imai Blackren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariyon View Post
    Ignoring the fact that a SCH who does that is susceptible to the inactivity penalty and getting automatically removed, any party who willingly allows that to happen is just as much to blame as the healer who did it in the first place. We have the option to vote players out for a reason. While the healer in your example is obviously lazy, I'd say the problem there lies with people who allow SCH to get away with that kind of nonsense in the first place. But we're talking healers in general. Can they DPS? Sure. Is it useful? I think that goes without saying. Is it a requirement that they DPS? Not at all.
    You're a little late to the party. We've already gone over, with evidence brought forward in the game text and debunking the healer double standard (why are they the only class where it's acceptable to literally do nothing for most of a run), and how if a Healer does zero DPS they're a bad Healer.
    I go one step farther and say if they cannot even follow that bare minimum, they should play another class or another game.
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  8. #258
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    Cleric Stance



    I've added a screenshot of the attribute window for Alexys Kitty in Healer role at Lv60. With these stats, with Cleric Stance activated, she does approximately 500 damage points with Aero III which ticks three seconds for 24 seconds which multiplies to a total of 4,000 less or more damage points within 24 seconds. The Stone III casts every 3 seconds at approximately 2,000 damage points with totals 16,000 damage points while Aero III is active. If Aero III is cast followed by eight back-to-back Stone III casts and 24 seconds have elapsed a WHM has done approximately 20,000 damage in 24 seconds of battle. This may not seem much in comparison to DPS roles. The Healer role is not DPS. This stance is simply a plus to the party's overall damage. DPS is a different role with different individual damage.
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    Last edited by AlexysKitty; 09-25-2016 at 05:10 AM. Reason: Image Update, Change of Meaning, Calculation Change

  9. #259
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    Okami Amaterasuu
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBunch View Post
    You're a little late to the party. We've already gone over, with evidence brought forward in the game text and debunking the healer double standard (why are they the only class where it's acceptable to literally do nothing for most of a run), and how if a Healer does zero DPS they're a bad Healer.
    I go one step farther and say if they cannot even follow that bare minimum, they should play another class or another game.
    If you're not being lazy with the DPS and your rotations, you'll be too busy to care about whether or not the healer does DPS.

    Is healer dps helpful? Yes.

    Is it your business whether a healer dpses or not? Not really.

    People do a lot of things for a lot of reasons. Don't jump to conclusions about people you never met.
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  10. #260
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    Lynn Nuvestrahl
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexysKitty View Post
    [IMG]...Aero III which ticks every second or two for 24 seconds...
    Just to correct, all DoTs tick once every 3 seconds on a global timer. Aero III thus gets 8 ticks for the full duration.
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