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    Ariyon Durandel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersun View Post
    Yes, because a Scholar auto-following a tank in Satasha while going AFK and letting his fairy do all the healing is an acceptable form of playing and I'm such a horrible person for expecting the bare minimum of ABC and not overhealing.

    If you are ABCing and not overhealing and you aren't ever casting DPS spells...your tank sucks.
    Ignoring the fact that a SCH who does that is susceptible to the inactivity penalty and getting automatically removed, any party who willingly allows that to happen is just as much to blame as the healer who did it in the first place. We have the option to vote players out for a reason. While the healer in your example is obviously lazy, I'd say the problem there lies with people who allow SCH to get away with that kind of nonsense in the first place. But we're talking healers in general. Can they DPS? Sure. Is it useful? I think that goes without saying. Is it a requirement that they DPS? Not at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariyon View Post
    Ignoring the fact that a SCH who does that is susceptible to the inactivity penalty and getting automatically removed, any party who willingly allows that to happen is just as much to blame as the healer who did it in the first place. We have the option to vote players out for a reason. While the healer in your example is obviously lazy, I'd say the problem there lies with people who allow SCH to get away with that kind of nonsense in the first place. But we're talking healers in general. Can they DPS? Sure. Is it useful? I think that goes without saying. Is it a requirement that they DPS? Not at all.
    You're a little late to the party. We've already gone over, with evidence brought forward in the game text and debunking the healer double standard (why are they the only class where it's acceptable to literally do nothing for most of a run), and how if a Healer does zero DPS they're a bad Healer.
    I go one step farther and say if they cannot even follow that bare minimum, they should play another class or another game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBunch View Post
    You're a little late to the party. We've already gone over, with evidence brought forward in the game text and debunking the healer double standard (why are they the only class where it's acceptable to literally do nothing for most of a run), and how if a Healer does zero DPS they're a bad Healer.
    I go one step farther and say if they cannot even follow that bare minimum, they should play another class or another game.
    If you're not being lazy with the DPS and your rotations, you'll be too busy to care about whether or not the healer does DPS.

    Is healer dps helpful? Yes.

    Is it your business whether a healer dpses or not? Not really.

    People do a lot of things for a lot of reasons. Don't jump to conclusions about people you never met.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogempire View Post
    If you're not being lazy with the DPS and your rotations, you'll be too busy to care about whether or not the healer does DPS.

    Is healer dps helpful? Yes.

    Is it your business whether a healer dpses or not? Not really.

    People do a lot of things for a lot of reasons. Don't jump to conclusions about people you never met.
    Again, no. If I'm running out of TP or we die because the Healer was being lazy they absolutely should either learn to play the class, play another class or play another game.
    Just because I'm doing my rotations doesn't mean I can't notice that Cleric stance is off and everyone is at full health.
    It is my business because they're affecting my DF run and that of 3-7 other people.

    What I really, really don't understand is that you, and other people think that playing terribly, but only playing terribly as a healer, is okay.
    If a NIN didn't use an ninjutsu or Death Blossom on groups of mobs (or poisong), it wouldn't be okay. If a BLM only used ICE spells it wouldn't be okay.
    If a Tank only spammed Flash until he was out of MP isn't okay either.
    It's the same with a Healer, if they're just spamming Cure or Physick it's not okay either. By level 60, it's definitely not okay for any of those to still be happening.
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