war nerfs(srs bznz pls)

[DaulBan]

If you're at full HP (and you probably won't be) then a 2k inner beast might give you another 7% HP for a total of like 1.28x eHP. But if you're not at full HP, and that inner beast doesn't put you over your max non-defiance HP, then there is no difference in eHP (because Defiance's benefit is only when you have more than 100% your base (deliverance or w/e) HP.

[Reynhart]

But if you're not at full HP, and that inner beast doesn't put you over your max non-defiance HP, then there is no difference in eHP (because Defiance's benefit is only when you have more than 100% your base (deliverance or w/e) HP.

Defiance helps you recover much faster. That's its main benefit, exactly because it's here whatever your HP is.
And if you need this extra HP to survive the incoming hit, it means that a SwO PLD with Rampart alone would have died too.

[DaulBan]

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That's sort of irrelevant to what I said. Doesn't matter whether or not the tank needed the HP, all I said is that so long as the WAR has less than full HP the eHP isn't the same.

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Someone seriously said holmgang was better than HG.... wth is wrong with this community? o_O

To be fair, Holmgang is a lot more fun than hallowed ground.

[ArdorGrey]

To be fair, Holmgang is a lot more fun than hallowed ground.

........ ;P

[ArdorGrey]

Defiance helps you recover much faster. That's its main benefit, exactly because it's here whatever your HP is.
And if you need this extra HP to survive the incoming hit, it means that a SwO PLD with Rampart alone would have died too.

A pld in Swo can use rampart without swapping or giving anything up, including a GCD(kinda a big deal, if you disagree look at any post ever about clemency. If you know a fraction of what you're claiming to this should be super familiar to you and you should be able to concede this point. that assumes you're actually familiar with this subject matter though. PLD can ALSO switch before the hit comes in and gain another 20% mitigation just for switching, AND burn rampart for 40% mitigation. That is the reason pld and drk should never have ogcd stance switching. /obvious logic

And ffs forget rampart, if you want to talk pld cooldowns heaven FORBID we mention shelltron. Roughly another 20% physical mitigation cooldown on a 20 second timer, and again off gcd....

Sorry, but how are you trying to pretend WARs tank stance is as good as anything plds can do? War's advantages lie in self healing and dps, and the two do go hand in hand. The biggest gray area is in the utility of path and eye. Trying to pretend they're currently as durable as pld on top of all that is hilariously fallacious.