war nerfs(srs bznz pls)

[Lambdafish]

Do you understand the damage lost from entering Defiance?

Making up the hp difference from entering it cost an additional cd, you are now stuck in it for 10s doing ~30% less damage.
-5% for leaving Deliverance.
-25% for being in Defiance.
Reduced Crit rate and the inability to use Fell Cleave over IB which is a 200 potency difference.
If you Unchain instead of IB, what are you mitigating?

It costs a lot to be that tanky, it most certainly is not the best of both worlds, it's one or the other.

Ok lets discuss this by comparing both skills directly (they arent all that different)

Defiance:
- Increases Maximum HP by 25%
- Decreases damage dealt by 25% and increases enmity
- Increases healing magic by 20%

Shield Oath:
- Reduces damage received by 20%
- Reduces damage dealt by 15% and increases enmity (remember that WARs damage is innately better than PLDs)

The HP/healing increase and damage reduction essentially do the same thing, with the difference being how much the HP bar moves about, and even with the extra damage loss a WAR would still deal as much/more damage than a PLD in tank stance, without taking into consideration Unchained (which we should be). You mention that using unchained means you can't IB, however that is not an excuse, as the skill still exists, and if you have infuriate up you can use both. No matter what way you look at it, the WARs overall combo makes Defiance a better stance to be in than Shield oath, and yet it also gets the perk of oGCD and no cost to enter (This was completely fine before deliverance existed as the best you could do was turn the stance off, now the stances are not far off PLD, except they are better for some reason).

I won't even both comparing Deliverance and Sword Oath.

Also your complaint about "if you are in defiance you lose all that crit and can't fell cleave".... are you serious?