Squadrons are a let down for now

[Jynx]

You are literally asking for them to completly change the way this game is being developed.

This is unture. They have released fully fleshed out content before, multiple times. It is however few and far between but it's not unrealistic to expect the systems to be satisfactorily finished before launch. Your free to want them to half-bake them all but I'm not.

Opinions eh?

the hyperbolic use of white knight was a response your hyperbolic use of never happy customer (I am happy with the product and just because I request certain things does not mean I damn the thing)

[Remedi]

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While the Ui is certainly similar we lack the knowledge of their actual use. Wow garrison missions problem were that they made everything obsolete and also were mandatory if you were a raider.
For now we know nothing of what we can do with them once they reach lvl cap and probably even they cannot see a real use for the squadrons as the reason they wanted to implement this was covered by the unsynched mode.
Personally I would rather wait and see but honestly SE for now have shown that they are willingly to update things around one way or the other so I can easily give them credit unlike another company who just forgets things around

[IceWing]

I'd rather have half today & half in 3 month than all of it at once in a year.

The problem with this is they do not focus on finishing the content in 3 months. SE adds more random crap that is half done, look at Diadem -half done, only fixes so far have been nerfs.

I'd much rather have their vision of a feature be completed before release, with minor adjustments or minor additions as time goes on.

[Fyce]

They have released fully fleshed out content before, multiple times.

I never said otherwise. But you already gave me a list of rhetorical questions making a point about how SE is bad at releasing "finished" content. So you already know that their habit is more to release little features here and there without going too deep or making game changing stuff. Exceptions aren't the rule.
Platoon management is a little feature that will be expanded later on, but they give us the base for that since it's ready. Exactly like things we've had for the past 3 years.

Giving small bits and improving them later is their primary way of developing new kind of content, and you know that. It allows them to experiment faster while giving a constant stream of content, which is clearly what allowed the game to be popular to a type of players that don't like the way other MMO do stuff (looking at WoW primarily).

I really don't know why people look surprised with platoons while they're exactly like dozen of features we've had before. They've been doing that for years.
Yet, people seems to just suddenly realize that. What's next? People being surprised that this game has a holy trinity in it? "Breaking news".
That's my biggest issue with these complaints.

SE adds more random crap that is half done, look at Diadem -half done, only fixes so far have been nerfs.

There's absolutly no evidence whatsoever that Diadem and other features alike woul've been better if they took 6 more months to produce. In fact, they may very well have become even more disappointing. I prefer failure over little bits of content rather than big "fully fleshed" ones.

Look at Gordias, for example. While it wasn't a brand new feature, it was their first attempt at making raid content with that formula. This new raid came with the expansion, and probably took a lot of time to be developed. But in the end, it almost completly destroyed the raiding scene as a whole. The Gold Saucer is another example, meant to be a very big addition to the game with Triple Triad, Chocobo races, minigames, woohoo!... Guess how that turned out to be: an empty hall only populated during events, with chocobo racing being a huge waste, triple triad being dissapointing for a lot of people (also heavily impacted by cheaters during tournaments), and so on. We could talk about PvP too, but I think I already made my point clear enough.

In short terms: the bigger the feature is, the bigger the potential disappointment becomes.

[Ksenia]

I keep sending my Lancer squads out and they always come back with Floor Tiles.

I don't get it.

[Jynx]

And here I thought I was the one being pessimistic. You seem clearly entrenched in wanting content to be only half baked so it doesn't dissapoint too much.

I've always been a fan of them actually fully developing content before releasing it even if it falls on it's face. All the things you have listed as failures, failed due to SE's lack of reaction to feedback. I get it they are a big company with lots of oversight but that's something they need to work on if they want to be able to operate in todays gaming market where people expect decisive reactions from their game makers. Blizzard set the benchmark for community reaction and interaction.

SE has been very good with constant updates, but they cling to their clandestine silence from way back in the XI days. At least back then when content was planned and released it was fully formed due to the larger patch cycle not giving them a chance to half release much stuff.

[Kallera]

"Well we decided to release featureless grids followed by a boss battle on a flat circle for your next expert roulette to take for the next 6 months, but don't worry, the locales are being worked on in a future patch!"(you wouldn't accept it there why accept it here?)

SE is free to make whatever content for their game, but the audience is free to call them out for making it half baked and lacking in desired features.

[Astyrah]

Really guys? This is the second thread complaining about a feature that isn't even out yet. What is this? MMO Champion?

personally i don't care anymore how this squadron thing comes out, but i will just point out that the reason other people are complaining is because they are paying for the game monthly like all of us and if you're not getting (or going to get) what you're paying for, i think it'll justify expressing your concerns

but if this was a free to play MMO and you never paid a single cent on it's cash shop, then yeah - but it's not ^^

[Mikey_205]

Look at this way, they're introducing it in phases getting the foundations for the system in, rather than launching it then having to rework later. Each phase builds on the last and they can use feedback to work on it so that the end result is better.

[Fyce]

I've always been a fan of them actually fully developing content before releasing it even if it falls on it's face.

Well, that makes no sense. It takes more time develop, which takes away ressources for other potential features. It will also leave an unhealable scar that people will still talk about for years. On top of that, the devs will be even more shy about releasing new features in the future.
I don't see any benefits in all that. The only possible upside, if when they release a very big feature which turns out to be successful. You may be thinking that it's worth the risk, but not everyone shares that opinion. Far from it, in fact.

I get it they are a big company with lots of oversight but that's something they need to work on if they want to be able to operate in todays gaming market where people expect decisive reactions from their game makers. Blizzard set the benchmark for community reaction and interaction.

Wh...What? How have you missed all the people here talking about how Garrisons were shit, and yet were a very important feature since it was mandatory. WoW has the reputation of having both extremes in terms of awesome content and extremely shitty one. FFXIV choose not to have these extremes, but more like a constant stream of "good enough" content. And that's why people stay, because FFXIV is predictable.

All the things you have listed as failures, failed due to SE's lack of reaction to feedback.

Well, yes. That's the point. How can you gather feedback on features you haven't even released yet? You can't, unless you do some PTR shenanigans that the devs don't want to do because of very legitimate reasons. Besides, regarding Alexander in my examples, Midas was clearly an improvement over Gordias, and Creator has high chances of being even better. And that's mostly due to the feedback on the first released parts. If they were to develop the whole 12 fights of the raid in one go, this couldn't be possible.
It's because Alexander wasn't released in its integrality that they were able to change their vision for the rest of it, according to player's needs and raiding meta. If you don't see how beneficial that was, I think I'll just stop arguing at this point.

SE has been very good with constant updates, but they cling to their clandestine silence from way back in the XI days. At least back then when content was planned and released it was fully formed due to the larger patch cycle not giving them a chance to half release much stuff.

Okay but, why do you even care? If you don't like the content now, then just wait 6 more months or whatever time they need to implements the other parts, and give it a try then. What's the difference in being able to play the first part of it now and the rest later, or having to wait nobody knows how long to play the "full thing"? Are you afraid to spoil yourself or being bored of that feature before they could implement the rest? If that's the case, then that's completly on you. Besides, if you prefer the second option, you deny players who might enjoy the content there is now to experience it.
So, yeah, if you only wanted to go with your platoon to do whatever boring dungeon with NPCs, then just wait like you'dve waited if they didn't released anything. How hard is that? In the meantime, people who like the management aspect of it can play with it. Everyone's happy.