Square Enix: Please reconsider putting the Native American war bonnet attire in-game.

[Krindor]

This game implements bosses based on major religious and cultural figures and then let us slaughter them repeatedly. As long as the game isn't doing something with the clothing in a way that could be seen as degrading there shouldn't be any issue.

[Masquerade]

Honestly, i find this thread very pointless, why?

Because the only people that are allowed to take offense to this item are the natives themselves, if they have not raised any objections about, then none of you here are allowed to say otherwise. Just because it seems offensive to you doesn't mean it is offensive to the native people themselves.

We have to remember something else, this is a GAME!!! It's not making fun of any racial steriotypes, religion and etc. I read here someone speak of the Thavanarian outfit and everyone dismissed it, and that is a very good example! It's based on Arabic/Persian clothing but because everyone thinks it's cute and shows belly it's ok and should be dismissed from this subject?

They implemented these outfits to show that they want every kind of people to feel at home in FF14 and now they are trying to reach for the natives, showing that they can come to this game and have their characters dress with native oufits.

To sumarize : If you are not native, you are not allowed to complain about this outfit.

This is why our world doesn't evolve, because we are not treating each other equally, and instead we try to find offensive things to complain about.

You really think that's how anything has ever gotten accomplished?

When the U.S ended slavery, do you think it happened from black slaves running into the White House and telling Abraham Lincoln why slavery is wrong?

When women were given the right to vote, it was discussed, debated and decided in a court room of no one but men.

When speaking for LGBT equality, who's words would have more meaning? Me, some random gay guy- or straight Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton?

This common idea that any group can complain about another group, but only members of said group can defend against it.....no.

to quote you
"This is why our world doesn't evolve, because we are not treating each other equally, and instead we try to find offensive things to complain about."
You can't really complain about people not treating everyone equally in the same breath of you advocating a division of each group that only deals with their own groups issues.

The irony about saying only Native players should debate this issue, is how two posters who say they are native and are not offended by this keep getting used as an example to keep it in. While another two posters who say they are native, and say this outfit is an issue, are either getting ignored of or being responded to by saying something like...

So basically it's being said, if you are native and support the outfit, then your opinion matters. But if you are a native, and you see this as an issue, then you are just being "sensitive" and "difficult" and need to get over it?

For people who believe this outfit should only be discussed by native players...then it would only make sense for you to also believe that the item should only be available to Native players.

[Lexia]

Could someone post a picture cause I don't remember seeing any native american headdress in the game, unless it a upcoming item or something.

[Kazrah]

Honestly, I just hope it's all dyeable.

[Ashewalker]

For people who believe this outfit should only be discussed by native players...then it would only make sense for you to also believe that the item should only be available to Native players.

You didn't understood what i said at all... I didn't said discussed, i said Complained. And did you actualy read everything i wrote?

I wrote that the outfits were a way yo bring people into the game and make them feel at home. But because a outfit of native people is introduced to a popular game, does it make everyone that isn't a native to be allowed to act bitchy for something that doesn't have anything to do with them, when most of them are racists themselves?

For a reason, 2015 and 2016 are being concidered years of the insulted, by people that shouldn't even be insulted in the first place. Of course 2016 is turning to be Year of the Youtubers sueing Youtubers, but eh, whatever...

[Masquerade]

You didn't understood what i said at all... I didn't said discussed, i said Complained. And did you actualy read everything i wrote?

I wrote that the outfits were a way yo bring people into the game and make them feel at home. But because a outfit of native people is introduced to a popular game, does it make everyone that isn't a native to be allowed to act bitchy for something that doesn't have anything to do with them, when most of them are racists themselves?
.

The ending comment of mine was directed at anyone who has made similar statements. But yes, yours is still a part of the group I was directing it to.
"To sumarize : If you are not native, you are not allowed to complain about this outfit."
But very well, for your specific comment, I will swap my own word "discuses" for your word "complained". And this being a racial topic, I am going to give a racial example to make my point.

Back when signs like this were a common sight in the U.S

Things did not change from just black people "complaining" about the injustice to non-white Americans. It changed from the collective effort from every type of person saying that it's wrong and needed to change.

The perfect example for my point would be to quote Coretta Scot King on LGBT right...
"I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice. But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people. "

That's the world I believe in. Not turning a blind eye or keep silent about someone else plight just because it dose not directly effect myself.
So even tho Coretta Scot King is not a lesbian, I am proud she was so active in LGBT rights. ..Or I proud that she was so "bitchy" (to use your word) about LGBT rights.

[Masquerade]

But now that's out of the way (at least for now?) I am going to move away from this side subject, and speak of the threads topic.



I just find it to be insensitive and disrespectful that some users are saying things like "Well I'm British, and I want top hats to be removed from the game." as a way to criticize and discredit this threads argument. (unless Brits hold some deep and spirtual meaning to their hats that I am not aware of)

Like iv said, I don't think the item is racist. But I think what has some Native and -non-Native players feeling a little effy about this type of thing, is not the use of the image itself, but in the fashion that it's being introduced.
It's a "custom" It's taking something that is considered very important to specifics groups of people, and categorizing it to be sold on the same shelf as a monster mask, clown hair, and a Batman cape at Walmart. (and for anyone who needs this pointed out to them, no: I am not saying there is a walmart or a Batman cape in Final Fantasy. I am comparing the in-game introduction of the item to the real world item)
It's more about dignity then anything else.

There is a big difference between racism and offensive. Racism takes thought and energy. It's premeditated. Being offensive can happen by accident. One is the product of thought, where the other is from the absents of thought.

The more productive approach to this, rather than debating if it's right or wrong, and if players are "good" or "bad" people for feeling the way they feel about it; would be a thread titled "In honor of the new headdress here is little history that it was inspired by."

There are a few posters on here that sound to be very knowledgeable about it. For one of them to type up a history lesson thread connected with this new item, could be worth the time.

And sure, only a small percentage of people who play the game visit these forums, and would read that thread. But to educated 10 out of 1000 people is not a wasted effort.

[Savagelf]

Develop game one must have base point to base game when come to mmo. every fantasy game use medvil building to do this. as well it culture. The left in USA has become like holy roman empire want everyone accept they view and not will accept they going down path lead to the nation to ruins. People see anything involve culture that difference then another person use as taboo. but what animal culture for example Miq'ue have pride system to they families. the Nunh is example of male lion his mates are like lioness. while the keeper of moon are opposites.

Don't take all us american like we for PC.

you seen two native american on this thread express how they apprecate the act on SE part and would love see it.

I remember in the development of heavenward Yoshi P toke trip to a castle make sure they got it right.

[AnaviAnael]

Could someone post a picture cause I don't remember seeing any native american headdress in the game, unless it a upcoming item or something.

[ohmRICE]

I'm Native (Mandan) and I'm a little too busy trying to raise awareness about the whole DAPL fight going on right now to give a damn about a vaguely plains tribe-ish looking outfit in an MMO.
Obligatory link -> http://www.democracynow.org/topics/dakota_access

But to give my serious thoughts: I do have issues with people wearing warbonnets as costumes and for ~*funsies*~ in real life; but this is in a game set in a fantasy world where the same history doesn't exist in context. If anything maybe this outfit will spark an interest in people to learn more about Native culture (be it plains tribes or any other tribe) and allow more awareness to be spread regarding the issues that our tribes still face in the modern age.
I don't think it's right to just say "oh this is bad don't you do it!" and leave it at that. We need to educate people and lead people on the path towards education so they can learn why there's an issue. Only then can progress and acceptance be made between both sides.