Square Enix: Please reconsider putting the Native American war bonnet attire in-game.

[Coyote_Socks]

What tribes is it offensive to specifically?

[Seryne]

Snip.

I wasn't making them my token. I was pointing out how someone who actually is Native American, unlike OP, came in here and stated how they were excited to see their cultures garb in game.
However, I do see your points. I get your frustration as well at the people being callous in here.

[luckystrikes]

I find it hilarious that the Christian people are giving this a pass because there was a "Pope-like" bad guy on the HW MSQ and they are okay with. You know Christianity that has been a culturally dominant force in Western culture for forever. Its hard to be discriminated against when you are at the top of the power structure.

[Vantilles]

What tribes is it offensive to specifically?

Well, there are many different tribes with different beliefs. I couldn't go on telling you about how -every- tribe or peoples consider it. For example, my family's heritage is Potawatomi and were forced to mix with the Ojibwa following the Trail of Death. Specifically, the Ojibwa often find the war bonnet - and the use of eagle feathers to mark the above, as well as the belief that the eagle as an animal, the eagle is a highly spiritual creature in regards to the creator. The eagle acts as an intermediary between the creator. As a symbol it means wisdom and courage.

[Coyote_Socks]

Well, there are many different tribes with different beliefs. I couldn't go on telling you about how -every- tribe or peoples consider it. For example, my family's heritage is Potawatomi and were forced to mix with the Ojibwa following the Trail of Death. Specifically, the Ojibwa often find the war bonnet - and the use of eagle feathers to mark the above, as well as the belief that the eagle as an animal, the eagle is a highly spiritual creature in regards to the creator. The eagle acts as an intermediary between the creator. As a symbol it means wisdom and courage.

Not trying to prove a point, genuinely curious. I thought those style of headdresses were more great plains style. You obviously would probably know better.

[Vantilles]

Not trying to prove a point, genuinely curious. I thought those style of headdresses were more great plains style. You obviously would probably know better.

I'm always glad to help out. My career deals extensively with our belief systems. The spread of Indigenous beliefs, for the most part, is varied. The eagle is the most shared aspect of our creation stories, overall. The headresses are largely thought of to be plains people because, well, it's mostly the plains people that get coverage in the media or film - especially in Hollywood etc.

[Vantilles]

I wasn't making them my token. I was pointing out how someone who actually is Native American, unlike OP, came in here and stated how they were excited to see their cultures garb in game.
However, I do see your points. I get your frustration as well at the people being callous in here.

My apologies, then. It seems that I misread the intent of that post.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Sure, anyone can realize it CAN be an issue. But when nobody who could legitimately claim it is an issue is coming forth to do so... There is no reason to even consider it to be an issue. It becomes a case of "someone somewhere at some point in time may or may not have a slight chance of possibly being somewhat upset".

Also, when other people jump in to claim it's offensive, they're basically saying how we need to protect their culture because they don't know how to do it themselves. By coming out on behalf of other people to say something is offensive you're treating those people like little children.

[Coyote_Socks]

I'm always glad to help out. My career deals extensively with our belief systems. The spread of Indigenous beliefs, for the most part, is varied. The eagle is the most shared aspect of our creation stories, overall. The headresses are largely thought of to be plains people because, well, it's mostly the plains people that get coverage in the media or film - especially in Hollywood etc.

Makes sense, thank you. I did a lot of study in college of more western tribes, Utes, Paiute, Navajo, Shoshone. Just some white guy, but always found the culture interesting.

For the record, I wish it didn't matter. I think there is a big difference between wishing these things didn't matter and denying it does matter and a lot of people miss that. I just want everyone to be able to enjoy the artistic nature of our world and not piss anyone off.

[Vantilles]

Sure, anyone can realize it CAN be an issue. But when nobody who could legitimately claim it is an issue is coming forth to do so... There is no reason to even consider it to be an issue. It becomes a case of "someone somewhere at some point in time may or may not have a slight chance of possibly being somewhat upset".

Also, when other people jump in to claim it's offensive, they're basically saying how we need to protect their culture because they don't know how to do it themselves. By coming out on behalf of other people to say something is offensive you're treating those people like little children.

Are you aware of how indigenous peoples are treated in North America? It's not simply a matter of 'they dont know how to do it themselves', it's literally a matter of government policy restricting access to self governance, basic needs and advocacy.Not that it's impossible - it's exceptionally difficult to bring these matters to light against a largely ignorant public.

These issues aren't taught or really spoken about. People actually need to jump in with these issues. Things like these aren't covered in the news or mass media beyond exceptionally large protests. Even if you do happen to live elsewhere in the world - how would you even know about these issues unless an indigenous person or an ally comes forward?

I'm coming forward and letting you know that appropriation at a severe level is indeed something that our people consider an issue and find exceptionally disheartening.