Patch 3.4 - Soul Surrender

[Fenral]

As for that one specific line...I don't know if it is Uriengeir (butchered spelling!) saying it; it sounds like someone else (who I can't put my finger on right now), unless they changed his VA again. Time to go cutscene-diving.

Which line? "He who holds fast to his convictions..."? His Japanese VA is still very distinctly KENN, so I can say that's Urianger saying it. Mini transcript time!

貴方も闇の戦士の仲間なのか
You, too, are an ally of the Warriors of Darkness?

そもそも裏切りとは、信じたものを破ればこそ
It is only called betrayal if you destroy something you believed in to begin with.

OUCH BURN. Someone didn't take Moenbryda's death too well. On the bright side, it leaves open the possibility that there is something he believes in (as in the English), but we don't actually have any real proof that these lines are from the same scene. He could be addressing someone else (Eldibus?) in a completely different context.

[PArcher]

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They changed his English VA again then. Ugh

[Fenral]

They changed his English VA again then. Ugh

Actually, listening to the English version again, I think they listened to popular demand and brought back Gideon Emery (who should never have been replaced). Not 100% sure, though.

[Mysteltain]

Actually, listening to the English version again, I think they listened to popular demand and brought back Gideon Emery (who should never have been replaced). Not 100% sure, though.

I actually thought that it was the former Count Fortemps speaking. I don't remember either Urianger's new VA, or Gideon Emery, sounding like that.

[Anonymoose]

what about Meracydia's interpretation of Azeyma at the time, instead?

Even if this doesn't pan out, I noticed the same connections (aka potential coincidences). Already, Sephirot's worshipers had temples that inspired Allag and eventually the builders of Qarn and so on through Belah'dia. Perhaps what survived through the ages was an amalgam of Meracydian themes. At the very least, the observations are solid Darksteelfoil Hattery, even if they end up completely unfounded.

OUCH BURN. Someone didn't take Moenbryda's death too well. On the bright side, it leaves open the possibility that there is something he believes in (as in the English), but we don't actually have any real proof that these lines are from the same scene. He could be addressing someone else (Eldibus?) in a completely different context.

Urianger's character keeps getting called into question, from rumors in 1.0 (started by the Circle of Knowing to distract Darnus) all the way up through meeting with the Ascian emissary (whereby he learned what he could and implied that he was a liar). Each time (so far), he's turned out to still be acting in accordance with what we've always been told he was: Louisoix's best, brightest, most loyal, and most socially awkward student.

I feel like if he was truly going to ally against Hydaelyn's best interests, it would have been earlier. He could have turned after Moenbryda's death when he met with Elidibus, he could have turned when confronted with the Gerun Oracles. He could have been more accepting of Li'lidibus (he refers to him as an ally "for now" while simultaneously speaking of the need for the Ascians to taste "lasting defeat"). What will have changed? Finally too much evidence for Elidibus' narrative? Was the loss of Minfilia the last straw? I wouldn't find it strange or unrealistic, but given his characterization (so far), I'd find it surprising. And if he did turn, I feel like he'd realize his mistake ere the end.

He's earned my trust for now, I think... I hope...

Of course, that all assumes I've not just chosen some very poor core assumptions about where the game is heading.
Predicting the big, general things - not my strongest area.

I'm just gonna say I was kind of disappointed they replaced the EN voice cast at all

I hate to admit it, but I have voices muted for now. ARR had great choices for actors, but (imho, sadly) jarringly bad cuts of the lines. That drew me out of the game. And then all the voices changed. And that drew me out of the game. And now I can't even tell who's talking in a trailer. And if they changed between 2013 and 2015, what are the chances they'll change again? I'm afraid that just as I get comfortable with characters' identities again, bam, all voices will now be provided by Roy Dotrice.

Did anyone notice that the adds on th trial of Sophia are using the gear of Plegethon?

I noticed, and then questioned myself whether that was accurate.
If other people are seeing it too, though, might as well whimsically theorize, right?

I'm reminded that Allag faced numerous rebellions on the home front and knew well the basics of summoning (hell, they invented summoners as a battle class, as far as we know). It's possible that one of the rebellions got involved with the eikon threat. However, the backstory has phrased it as "the beast tribes of Meracydia" over and over when it comes to the Warring Triad; ne'er a mention of the wandering races being involved. Could be a false lead; could bit a bit of forgotten history.

Hmm. Not much of value for such a long post.

[Alisa180]

Urianger's character keeps getting called into question, from rumors in 1.0 (started by the Circle of Knowing to distract Darnus) all the way up through meeting with Ascian emissaries (whereby he learned what he could yet called him a liar to his face). Each time (so far), he's proven to be acting in accordance with what we've always been told he was: Louisoix's best, brightest, most loyal, and most socially awkward student.

I feel like if he was truly going to ally against Hydaelyn's best interests, it would have been earlier. He could have turned after Moenbryda's death when he met with Elidibus, he could have turned when confronted with the Gerun Oracles. He could have been far less trusting of Li'lidibus (he refers to him as an ally for now while still talking about the need for the Ascians to taste "lasting defeat"). What will have changed? Finally too much evidence for Elidibus' narrative? Was the loss of Minfilia the last straw? I wouldn't find it strange or unrealistic, but given his characterization so far, I'd find it surprising. And if he did turn, I feel like he'd realize his mistake ere the end.

He's earned my trust for now, I think... I hope...

Took the words right out of my mouth.

You only have to look at the Binding Coil storyline to see that Urianger extended his loyalty to Louisoix towards his grandchildren, along with a good dose of affection. (He totally goes mother hen on them in his last appearance in that side story.) Its made clear he's an old family friend.

I have a hard time believing he'd side with the Ascians, if only because it would bring him in conflict with the twins, which in turn would be something of a betrayal of his old master. The twins are trying to fill the gap left by their grandfather after all, each in their own way. And again, they're practically family. It would take a *lot*, as in a Calamity-sized ton, for him to choose to pit himself against them.

[Catapult]

However, the backstory has phrased it as "the beast tribes of Meracydia" over and over when it comes to the Warring Triad; ne'er a mention of the wandering races being involved. Could be a false lead; could bit a bit of forgotten history.

What is a "beast tribe"? Who's frame of reference is it that has been retold down the ages?
To make a point by example, our own history is littered with examples of European settlers referring to natives as savage and uncivilised races, human or no.
Similarly, it's quite a Garlean Thing to refer to the Ixal etc as "beastmen", implying that they are of lesser civility. This was a bit of a thematic in v1.0 that hasn't been re-explored as much as it could have.

And so I wonder, could the Allagans have referred to progenitors of the Miqo'te as beastmen? In fact, where did the Miqo'te even come from? I'm yet to see a single Allagan that fit's that description...
...except one.

But they're a descendant of Allag, and have royal blood sufficient to operate the Crystal Tower, and not a Hyur.

Oh gosh, I'm heading down the rabbit hole again. Help!!!

[Frederick22]

What is a "beast tribe"? Who's frame of reference is it that has been retold down the ages?
To make a point by example, our own history is littered with examples of European settlers referring to natives as savage and uncivilised races, human or no.
Similarly, it's quite a Garlean Thing to refer to the Ixal etc as "beastmen", implying that they are of lesser civility. This was a bit of a thematic in v1.0 that hasn't been re-explored as much as it could have.

And so I wonder, could the Allagans have referred to progenitors of the Miqo'te as beastmen? In fact, where did the Miqo'te even come from? I'm yet to see a single Allagan that fit's that description...
...except one.

But they're a descendant of Allag, and have royal blood sufficient to operate the Crystal Tower, and not a Hyur.

Oh gosh, I'm heading down the rabbit hole again. Help!!!

Wait what?
I'm confused, there is a cleat differece between the spoken races and the beast tribe.
Whats your poit about miqote progenitors?

About your other post, I would say NO. There is a clear differece between Derplander and Darklander, we have talked about this already a lot of times, they arent the same person.


Another thing I want to add is why are we talking about new voice acting. This is old history guys, we already the new voice on Urianger and on eveyone else.
Arent we going to far off topic with this comments that had nothing to do eith 3.4 at all?

[Fenral]

And so I wonder, could the Allagans have referred to progenitors of the Miqo'te as beastmen? In fact, where did the Miqo'te even come from? I'm yet to see a single Allagan that fit's that description...
...except one.

But they're a descendant of Allag, and have royal blood sufficient to operate the Crystal Tower, and not a Hyur.

Oh gosh, I'm heading down the rabbit hole again. Help!!!

There is absolutely no significance whatsoever to the only non-Garlean we've met who can prove direct descent from Allag being a Miqo'te. None. Whatsoever. At all. It's a total coincidence with no bearing on the lore. And it's definitely never coming up again. Ever. These are not the droids you're looking for.

But seriously, until something happens in the MSQ to prove otherwise, the Crystal Tower (as we experienced it) is entirely non-canon, Cid and co. were simply elsewhere between 2.0 and 2.55 working on Manacutter tech, and Krile has taken on any future plot importance that aforementioned nonentity could have had in a universe where aforementioned nonentity actually ever existed.

[VargasVermillion]

But they're a descendant of Allag, and have royal blood sufficient to operate the Crystal Tower, and not a Hyur.

Except he wasn't the only one to have claim of allagan heritage. We all remember the last guy who was apparently of allagan decent to the point his family had access to knowledge about Dalamud that no one else had.