Squadrons are a let down for now

[Laerune]

Well I mean they could've just released nothing until they implemented the taking into dungeon stuff...then no one would've complained right? Gimme a break.

Tell me what would've satisfied you?

What would have satisfied me is, if they are 100% that they are able to deliver a feature where we can take these squad members to dungeons. Right now its big if its comming, just like how Primal summoning was and other features that were supposed to be comming, but did not.

If Yoshi-P said that it was comming and they were honest about it, then I doubt anyone would complain about. Personaly, I am asking myself, what happens if they do not deliver the dungeon system? What would be the point of adding this squadrons feature? We already have retainers who do venture via a menu, airship who do a venture via a menu and now squadrions as a venture via a menu....

I reckon best thing would be for them (SE) to wait untill they have the (squad going to dungeon with you) feature working and then release this feature, because as it is right now, its another underwhelming feature. I know some players might feel offended, but for me and probably others, alot of the recent features (the new stuff) were underwhelming, they could have been awsome, but its like they add the bare minimum, which is a shame, since it could have been good content for the players.

[Fyce]

You already answered your own question. If they stopped releasing content until it's complete - that would satisfy us.

What would have satisfied me is, if they are 100% that they are able to deliver a feature where we can take these squad members to dungeons. Right now its big if its comming, just like how Primal summoning was and other features that were supposed to be comming, but did not.

That's why we can't have nice things.
At this point, they should just not announce anything anymore so you guys will maybe stop complaining all the time, even when they release new stuff.

[Laerune]

That's why we can't have nice things.
At this point, they should just not announce anything anymore so you guys will maybe stop complaining all the time, even when they release new stuff.

There is nothing wrong with announcing anything, but what is the point if they are not going to deliver it? As for players complaining, isnt it normal to complain, if you dislike something? Its what this forum is for, to discuss, share ideas, suggest stuff to the developers and complain about features that they did not like, how else will the developers know what we like or dont like?

I realy hope they bring back those polls from the BETA, I think its time the players and the developers have a nice discussion about the recent stuff that has been added to this game.

[Fyce]

There is nothing wrong with announcing anything, but what is the point if they are not going to deliver it? As for players complaining, isnt it normal to complain, if you dislike something? Its what this forum is for, to dicuss, share ideas and complain about features.

There's a difference in saying that you are "planning to do this" and "actually going to do it". If something doesn't work (like primal summoning), then it won't make it into the game. But that shouldn't prevent them from talking about the ideas they have.
It's not their fault if people build false expectations over simple ideas, thinking that they are promises.

Besides, taking platoons in dungeons is likely to happen as they say they are working on it. But since the platoon management part is finished, why not releasing it? Just because it's not completly exhaustive? That's a dumb reason in a constantly evolving MMORPG, because it would mean that they can't release anything ever if "not finished". So, what about the warring triad? They shouldn't release it because the 3 bosses aren't done yet? What about PvP? Should they stop releasing things for it because it wasn't in the first patch when they started implement it? There are countless examples.
Where do you draw the line here?

Platoon management is done. They release it. You like it or not. That's it.
There's absolutly nothing that should prevent them to release some content in multiple patches if the parts they release can already be enjoyed by some. If you don't think so, then you are denying the fun some people might have playing what's already available... and you have no right to do that.

[Airget]

There is nothing wrong with announcing anything, but what is the point if they are not going to deliver it? As for players complaining, isnt it normal to complain, if you dislike something? Its what this forum is for, to discuss, share ideas, suggest stuff to the developers and complain about features that they did not like, how else will the developers know what we like or dont like?

I realy hope they bring back those polls from the BETA, I think its time the players and the developers have a nice discussion about the recent stuff that has been added to this game.

You can dislike something, but to dislike something before you actually try it is a bit dumb. What you see from slides and what you see from the game itself are two completely different things. Yea sure this is a negative but from the slides and showcase verminion looked like something that would of been fun, upon execution it fell flat.

PoTD looked good in the slides and from what we saw and guess what, it was fun. People screamed for Gold Saucer, Triple Triad and all that interactive mini-games, yet how many people actually play it regularly? Truth is people never know what they want, they say they want one thing, then get bored of it quickly lol.

[Jynx]

That's why we can't have nice things.

Please spare me.

People wouldn't be upset if this was the first time they half arsed content releases only to ditch them to the wayside for several patch cycles. So many systems in the game sit around half done moldering awaiting the update that makes them what they should have been at initial release.

Don't get all high and mighty on people who expect a competent product to be launched with major patch cycles. So far the Dev team has made a pretty bad habit of over promising and under-delivering and then just ditching the product to move on to something else they will half-finish before handing to players.

[Fyce]

Please spare me.

No.

People wouldn't be upset if this was the first time they half arsed content releases only to ditch them to the wayside for several patch cycles. So many systems in the game sit around half done moldering awaiting the update that makes them what they should have been at initial release.

So, what do you want? You want SE not to release anything for a year until they "finish" everything? That's not why I subscribed for. FFXIV is a theme park MMO with a lot of different things to do. This is what FFXIV is. If you want something else than that, something with very deep features released only every bisextile year, this isn't the game you're looking for.
And no, I'm not using that "if you don't like it, leave" lame excuse lightly here, I'm deadly serious. This game has been like this since the 2.0 release, and you expect something else entirely? You, please spare me.

Don't get all high and mighty on people who expect a competent product to be launched with major patch cycles. So far the Dev team has made a pretty bad habit of over promising and under-delivering and then just ditching the product to move on to something else they will half-finish before handing to players.

"Over promising and under-delivering", as I said, it's not their fault if people like you take thrown ideas as promises. You are the only one to blame for making your own false expectations.
Besides, platoon management isn't "half-finished". It is complete and ready to be released. If you wanted the "complete set of features regarding platoons that there will ever be in this game", then you'd have to wait for another year.. and who guess we'd see complaining on the forum that there's "no new things"? People like you.

So, yeah. Platoon management is done and will be released. Deat with it, dear entitled always angry customer.

[Jynx]

So, what do you want? You want SE not to release anything for a year until they "finish" everything? That's not why I subscribed for. FFXIV is a theme park MMO with a lot of different things to do.

Please don't start with me on something you obviously are oblivious too.

Would I prefer SE release systems that a fully fleshed out and offer more than 20 minutes to content at release? Hell yeah I do.

FFXIV can have hundreds of theme park attractions and if 0 of them offer anything of value or continue to linger in maluse due to half finished mechanics and potential. What is the appeal in that I ask?

Riddle me this.

What use are Grand Companies right now?
What use are the old PVP arenas?
What use is Diadem right now and even in the 4.0 patch with the gear it supplies being allready useless and no real changes to the system to make it more appealing even in sight?
Will company crafting ever expand to be something more usefull than to advance your glorified airship retainer ventures?

I could go on about the games systems that get released and then left to rot. If they had a habbit of actually coming back to these in a good way I wouldn't complain but their track record is shoddy at best.

Just because you seem to enjoy proding concepts for a few weeks and are content with that doesn't mean I am. I'll continue to be a "Dear Entitled always angry customer" until they release the systems in a satisfactory way.

So you keep being you. Dear always accepting white knight.

[Fyce]

Just because you seem to enjoy proding concepts for a few weeks and are content with that doesn't mean I am. I'll continue to be a "Dear Entitled always angry customer" until they release the systems in a satisfactory way.

So you keep being you. Dear always accepting white knight.

White knight? I'm just the one who has already figured out that this is their way of doing things for more than 3 years now. How long will it takes you to see that? You are literally asking for them to completly change the way this game is being developed.
Besides, what I like or dislike has absolutly nothing to do with white knighting. If their way of releasing content suits my needs and expectations, but not yours, it's only down to subjectivity and differences in standards... which is also subjective.

And yes, I'll keep being me, as it makes me able to enjoy that game way more than you do apparently, so no reason why I would want to change.

P.S. Riddles don't work if you ask rhetorical questions.

[Jynx]

You are literally asking for them to completly change the way this game is being developed.

This is unture. They have released fully fleshed out content before, multiple times. It is however few and far between but it's not unrealistic to expect the systems to be satisfactorily finished before launch. Your free to want them to half-bake them all but I'm not.

Opinions eh?

the hyperbolic use of white knight was a response your hyperbolic use of never happy customer (I am happy with the product and just because I request certain things does not mean I damn the thing)