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  1. #221
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    Velo'a Nharoz
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I personally think they should just disable Cleric Stance in party content. You can keep the damage-based skills available for people who want to DPS in between healing, but by removing Cleric Stance you reduce the overall DPS contribution of healers while simultaneously put more emphasis on DD jobs to perform well by increasing the value of their contribution to meet DPS checks without aid.

    Seems like a win-win.
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  2. #222
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    FallenWings's Avatar
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    Xyasreau Borlaaq
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    Tonberry
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogempire View Post
    I met one of those healers yesterday. They were playing a tank job.
    Didn't you know? Cooldowns are really just hotbar decorations.

    Get on the meta n00b.
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  3. #223
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    Lambdafish's Avatar
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogempire View Post
    I met one of those healers yesterday. They were playing a tank job.
    That tank should not be doing big pulls if they don't know how to manage cooldowns effectively, even if you were healing 100% of the time, that is a lot of stress to put on not only you, but also your MP. You were definitely in the right. Not to say that mistakes don't happen, but I have had big pulls go south in the past, I acknowledge if it was my fault, and I open a dialogue with the healer about progressing ("Did I pull too much? want me to pull less?")
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    Last edited by Lambdafish; 09-17-2016 at 12:58 PM.

  4. #224
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    Keisero Starborn
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Velox View Post
    I personally think they should just disable Cleric Stance in party content. You can keep the damage-based skills available for people who want to DPS in between healing, but by removing Cleric Stance you reduce the overall DPS contribution of healers while simultaneously put more emphasis on DD jobs to perform well by increasing the value of their contribution to meet DPS checks without aid.

    Seems like a win-win.
    Nope, this is a terrible idea. Having a healer do 10% of the damage of any other job in dungeons is not going to be fun for anyone involved, and would render a large portion of the toolkit useless. Cleric Stance usage is a clear indicator of a player's skill, or at least their determination to improve their play.

    And there's no reason to let these beautiful attack spells (Holy, literally every Ast spell) go to waste.

    If Cleric Stance was disabled in dungeons, literally every offensive spell would need a rework to be worth spending mana on.
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    Last edited by Rennies; 09-17-2016 at 03:31 PM.

  5. #225
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    Lynn Nuvestrahl
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    Moogle
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogempire View Post
    Bad tank/healer: "tanking is a side job for me, I main a healer and my tanks never use cooldowns"
    *cringe* Sure buddy.
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  6. #226
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    Edda Eglantine
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    Balmung
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    Botanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Velox View Post
    I personally think they should just disable Cleric Stance in party content. You can keep the damage-based skills available for people who want to DPS in between healing, but by removing Cleric Stance you reduce the overall DPS contribution of healers while simultaneously put more emphasis on DD jobs to perform well by increasing the value of their contribution to meet DPS checks without aid.

    Seems like a win-win.
    This is a horrible idea for many reasons, but in my eyes above all else: Why should I have to depend on random DPS to consistently perform well? Even if they're under more pressure to perform, it doesn't mean that they will. Don't take away my ability to carry people.
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  7. #227
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    Kochie Monster
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    Cactuar
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    Bard Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Kitfox View Post
    *cringe* Sure buddy.
    He must oooover heal and not dps. If a healer spams heals on me instead of dpsing i don't use cooldowns either or move from aoes. Lol i guess :/
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  8. #228
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    Crimson Bloodrose
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    Phantom
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    Summoner Lv 100
    There really is nothing to discuss. This game has a zillion downtimes followed by intense phases or big spikes of damage. A good healer knows when to be there and mitigate/heal through dangerous stuff, and switch to cleric when they know the boss will be autoattacking for the next 10 seconds for laughable amounts of damage.
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  9. #229
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by gehrtalert View Post
    Been leveling scholar a lot the past few days. I don't see how you can get away without dpsing. I've said this for white Mage but it seems like its an even bigger thing for scholars.
    In the past when I have been involved with these debates, I have always been WHM-minded and excluded SCH from the conversation. The job may queue as a healer, but this is a DPS job with healing capabilities a fairy . It's a true hybrid, takes a lot more skill to play optimally, so my expectations are a bit different with SCH opposed to WHM and AST who have no pet to back them up. This means if someone queues as SCH, they best plan on adding a DPS rotation to their repertoire, and as a SCH main, I'll be the first one to bark at them for not doing so.
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    Last edited by Gemina; 09-19-2016 at 03:06 AM.

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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogempire View Post


    I'm sorry as a tank main all I gotta say is...wow stagger your CDs for big pulls it makes the healers job, your job, and the DPS' job so much easier we're at 3.4 here soon and people don't understand still.
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