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  1. #121
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    zeopower6's Avatar
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    Garu Dyne
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Bumping cause this STILL keeps happening. Yoshi-P says he wanted this roulette to be used as intended for mentor duties but a lot of people are trying to avoid them if they take more than 5-10 minutes. On Primal, I keep running into people that ditch immediately because it isn't a guildhest or quick trial. I'm getting sick of having to see these people in my parties because within 2 seconds of me seeing them in the 'waiting' ring, they disappear as expected. Can something be done about these types of mentors?
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  2. #122
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    Maddonious's Avatar
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    Maddonious Mastothous
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    Cactuar
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    It might not be so bad if weeping city wasnt ruining mentor roulette for dps who want to queue inprogress as one part of the issue. I cant help those who need my assistance or fear the weeping city will grab hold of me.

    And as a mentor I will admit, if I happen to only have 20 mins of play time left and queue up and get a dungeon instead of a primal/guildhest I will apologies before I leave, I simply dont have the time to stick all the way through before I head to work but I do try to help as many roulettes as I enter.

    SE fixing their inprogress taking priority over fresh dungeons is one way it can start getting better. I blame the system for not being able to replenish those missing members.

    But on the topic for more penalties I dont think mentors deserve them if they leave. I think the mentor system itself needs adjusted to get rid of the fake mentors. The mentors who are in it just for the crown, the ones who have no idea how to play their classes effectively, the ones who want to feel superior without earning the right to be. Honestly i would love for a test to be placed over mentors by GMs or respected mentors to determing wither or not individuals are worthy of the crown.

    At the moment the crown is fools gold earned by those with enough play time but I would love to turn it into real gold by earning the right. I want it to mean something, a symbol that people can look in awe at. Not once have I ever had someone ask me a question directly about a issue they have due to the mistrust/dime a dozen mentors. You cant blame all mentors cause some out there are good but most don't care.
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    Last edited by Maddonious; 09-17-2016 at 07:56 AM.

  3. #123
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    JumperX's Avatar
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    Sam West
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    Mateus
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    Gladiator Lv 36
    I haven't read all the posts, but it looks like a lot of players are considering and consider mentors as professors. I understand that POV. If that were the case, MMOs shouldn't be allowed to play without a 1-2 weeks of explanation. It is true a kid from elementary doesn't know what school is or some children who goes to pre school have a little knowledge to the definition to that word. Children going to school always have the first week to adapt to the new environment that they will be going til they finish high school or finish their university.

    I think we need that type of system. Allow 1-2 weeks to give a basic explanation to what people will have to go thru such as listening to others, what are mentors for crafters or classes, what are regular players, what are EXTREME dungeons, regular dungeons, fates, etc. When I joined this game I got zero know of what FF franchise got to offer, but I played other MMOs (we can compared to the pre schools I was mentioning), but I got to learn a lot in this mmo such as its function, classification, minions, ec. I like to learn about the game/MMO I get or go to.
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    Last edited by JumperX; 09-17-2016 at 07:59 AM.

  4. #124
    Player Lexia's Avatar
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    Lexia Lightress
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    Balmung
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    Ninja Lv 86
    Quote Originally Posted by Maddonious View Post
    And as a mentor I will admit, if I happen to only have 20 mins of play time left and queue up and get a dungeon instead of a primal/guildhest I will apologies before I leave, I simply dont have the time to stick all the way through before I head to work but I do try to help as many roulettes as I enter.
    Not a personal attack against you but general question for anyone that does this. Why do people do this? Queue up for any type of content, when they know they have limit of amount of time left to play. Especially roulette since don't know what will be stuck in.
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  5. #125
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    Maddonious Mastothous
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    Cactuar
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    The mount, its all for the mount. Any progress is better then no progress. I understand it might hurt players but once again i blame the system for not being able to replenish those lost. Im a dps so logic would state that I should be easy to replace. Since SE put weeping city in MR tho that aint on me, its on them to remove WC to prevent inprogress dps from having that 90% of the time ruining any chance of getting dps to replace me.

    2000 runs is no joke and why this whole mentor leaving thing is an issue. A lot want it but it takes a long long time, many months of grinding to earn.
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    Last edited by Maddonious; 09-17-2016 at 08:30 AM.

  6. #126
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    Saito Hikari
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    Sargatanas
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    Bard Lv 100
    The mount being locked behind such a hugely random roulette was a mistake, considering all content contributes to the clear counter equally despite vast differences in difficulty. Should have split mentor roulette into four types of roulettes instead that awards a new currency.

    - Duty Roulette: Guildhests gets modified for Mentors (Awards 1 currency, 2 if someone is new to the instance)
    - Mentor Roulette: 24-man Raids (Awards 5 currency, 8 if someone is new to the instance)
    - Mentor Roulette: Extreme Trials (Awards 10 currency, 15 if someone is new to the instance)
    - Mentor Roulette: 8-man Raids (Awards 20 currency, 30 if someone is new to the instance)

    Currency would be obtained on a daily basis, and you'd need 3,000 to get the mount - roughly 2-3 months if you run all the roulettes every day.
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    Last edited by SaitoHikari; 09-17-2016 at 08:43 AM.

  7. #127
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    Airget Lamh
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    Hyperion
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    Botanist Lv 100
    Nah, extending/splitting the Mentor Roulette into different parts wouldn't help, it would just make it harder for certain people to get help while at the same time encouraging the actions of current people who claim to be mentors.

    A mentor that leaves a Mentor:Roulette because they don't want to do that roulette should just be disabled from using the roulette for the rest of the day.
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  8. #128
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    whiteblade89's Avatar
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    Auron Vale
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    Cactuar
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    Samurai Lv 90
    They ought to have an in-game counter that keeps track of how many duties the mentor leaves (while doing a MR ONLY! can't stress that enough) If he leaves too many, then he/she doesn't get the mount. Problem solved.
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  9. #129
    Player Lexia's Avatar
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    Lexia Lightress
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    Balmung
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    Ninja Lv 86
    Quote Originally Posted by Maddonious View Post
    The mount, its all for the mount. Any progress is better then no progress. I understand it might hurt players but once again i blame the system for not being able to replenish those lost.
    Well if person only has 20 minutes and they queue up for a duty and then find it a longer one or one they don't want and quit the duty they are then locked out for 30 minutes and no progress is made anyways.
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  10. #130
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Maddonious View Post
    2000 runs is no joke and why this whole mentor leaving thing is an issue. A lot want it but it takes a long long time, many months of grinding to earn.
    Sigh.......... If you are treating this like a grind and feel and you are only doing this for the mount then even if you get it you did not earn it. The mount is at 2000 (no joke right?) because it is designed to deter people from grinding it. It is a thank you to people who mentor for the sake of mentoring, and will be gotten by those kinds of players quite easily eventually. If you are finding the grind hard, good, because you are feeling the effects of the fair-weather deterrent.

    Also semi necro to an older post because I never responded:

    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    I find it very sad that you two are excusing new players that act bratty or hostile.
    I never said that, I said that is the mentors job (not actual job, just another word for responsibility, which you did sign up to - because that semantic was brought up too) to be the better person and handle those situations appropriately in order to preserve the party for the other 2-6 people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Lambdafish said "leaving the instance is not the correct course of action" against hostile players. But that's wrong.
    Again, taking what I said out of context, I said "leaving the instance is not the correct course of action, vote kicking, vote abandoning, and reporting the offending player if serious enough are the correct courses of action is" Leaving the instance is selfish and does not take into account the party, only yourself, which is not a mentor attitude. Using the tools available to you to deal with the situation IS the correct course of action.
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    Last edited by Lambdafish; 09-17-2016 at 02:04 PM.

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