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  1. #101
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    Kyuuen Queles
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    To me this is relative...

    Is there a more proper naming convention sure, but if I were to ask "Can I go to the bathroom/restroom/washroom?" are you really going to be that person that goes "I dunno, can you"? You know the point, so what exactly is the problem here. Call it what you will and let others call it what they want.
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  2. #102
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    Cakellene St
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    Tanks aren't crowd control. Crowd control would be removing ability for enemy to act via things like: sleep, stun, mesmerize.
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  3. #103
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    Aurora Aura
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    Exodus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang View Post
    And switch tank to crowd control already.
    Somehow, as much as Tank is (debatably) non-indicative. I think Crowd Control would be worse. Since Tanks are amond the the Jobs with the least crowd control

    • WAR: A stun, and a knockback and a bind
    • PLD: A stun, a blind and a silence
    • DRK: A stun
    • DRG: A stun and a slow
    • BRD: A stun, a silence, a bind, a heavy and a knockback (and a cross-classable slow)
    • MCH: A stun, a silence, a bind, a heavy and a knockback (and a cross-classable slow)
    • WHM: A stun, a bind, a knockback and a sleep
    • BLM: A bind, a heavy, a slow and a sleep
    • MNK: A stun and a silence
    • SCH/SMN: A slow and a blind (I think SMN also gets a stun)
    • NIN: A heavy, a stun and a silence.
    • AST: A Stun and a heavy
    With all that in mind, it seems more appropriate for the ranged Melee DPS (and maybe WHM/BLM) then tanks
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    Last edited by Morningstar1337; 09-17-2016 at 04:54 AM.

  4. #104
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    Toranja's Avatar
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    Portus Cale
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    You have my heartfelt support on this matter.
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    He doesn't mind us conducting trials so close to his bazaar, so long as he's properly compensated... Yes, Portus, we pay him in sorcery-blasted bird flesh. - Cocobygo

  5. #105
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    Alexander Dragonfang
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    Crowd control not only refers to enemies status in battle, but also their positioning, placement.
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  6. #106
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    Positioning is not crowd control.
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  7. #107
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    Princess Sakura
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus_ex_Machina View Post
    What about: "Hey, I am a deeps"
    this:


    Does a good job expressing my reaction when I heard that. (well the girl on the right)

    As for the DPS thing, i think it comes from wow, even if the role is called a measurement unit. But DPS can only really do damage, where healers can do some damage along with tanks, but it is not the focus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    You all must be really bored waiting for 3.4 to be arguing if you call something DPS or DD.
    Maybe that is the main reason for this?
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    Last edited by Snow_Princess; 09-17-2016 at 01:38 PM. Reason: clearing up why the picture fit the reaction

  8. #108
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    Suirieko Mizukoshi
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    Lamia
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    I've always hated that melees were called DPS. I've made fun of it constantly. No one ever calls their cars MPH or MPG, no one calls the healers HPS, so when the hell did DPS made sense?
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    Suirieko Mizukoshi of Excalibur Lamia


  9. #109
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    Tsukino Mahou
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    To be honest, I dislike that MMOs caved and started using player-invented terms as official terms for class roles. I would MUCH prefer if it was Attacker, Defender, Healer. Tank? Tanks didn't exist in medieval times. It's dumb and sounds silly.

    ATK/DEF/HLR makes much more sense than DPS TANK HEALER, but alas its too late. I suspect YoshiP implemented the current role names because he's an MMO player and wanted simplicity and uniformity between player-based naming conventions and terms used by developers to avoid confusion, so developers simply use player terms now.
    I agree with this completely. It similarly rubs me the wrong way when chat logs use wording like "P crits M for X damage" instead of "P scores a critical hit on M for X damage." "Crit" and "tank" are player slang. The actual game content should be more formal/professional.
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  10. #110
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    Eros Maxima
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang View Post
    Crowd control not only refers to enemies status in battle, but also their positioning, placement.
    Wait when was this a thing? Was it ever a thing for tanks to be called, pre-WoW era? I'm legitimately curious. I didn't play enough AoC or EQ to bother learning terminology back then, if it really was a thing.
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