Is ff 14. Too feminine?

[Nestama]

but I really don't care about any of this In Final Fantasy XIV. It's just a game.

But some of us do (and the game does have a sub fee). There's nothing wrong with wanting something to be done/changed for future gear, is there?

I definitely know healers would like something that isn't white by default all the time >_>

[Ametrine]

I definitely know healers would like something that isn't white by default all the time >_>

Or casters in black. Not entirely sure why most mage gear is predominantly black and white other than White Mage and Black Mage.... But BLM is traditionally very colorful (except in XIV, ironically), and WHM is always seen with those bright red embellishments.



Oh well. It'll be dyable eventually.

[Emeke]

Lol. Have you played Terra where all the classes are gender locked to female characters?? Give that a whirl then come back and say FFXIV is too feminine. Guarantee you won't.

[Masquerade]

Iv been waiting tell I was sure that little back-and-forth was over before commenting again. **looks around** I think it's safe to go back in the water now.

There is no such thing as too feminine or too masculine.
Feminine, androgynous or masculine, take your pick. They're all equally awesome. That's what people need to learn and understand.

That being said... I want bunny ears too.

Yes, and no.
There is nothing wrong with such labels. If you had a specific look in mind, for a style you wanted (in or out of game) and asked for help. If someone showed you some examples you would uses tho labels to describe what you are looking.

I think what made the OP question strike a nerve in a lot of players, is that the way he phrased it..it went from something that he wanted for his personal character..too something that he wanted for every player he might come in contact with.

By just saying "I want more masculine styles." There nothing wrong with that. And it in no way makes that person a bigot,insensitive, sexiest ect. ect. ect.
But meant to or not, his post took it beyond that. His suggestion was more about making other players along with the environment more "masculine."
And when you don't want to change yourself, but rather want to change everyone/everything else to better fit what you like...that when bigot,insensitive, sexiest ect. ect. ect. starts kicking in.

I think the game is pretty well balanced when it comes to fem/mas. But for some gamers who think otherwise I think it's because of what they are used to. If most of the games they play are say 80% Masculine 20% Feminine. if they were then to play a game that was say 60% Mas 40% Fem, even tho the Mas is still the dominating factor, the fact that there is more of the other would stand out to them more. Giving them the illusion that they are being overwhelmed by it.

P.S
Bunny ears would be BEAST! xoxoxo

[Deceptistar]

Reading some of the things here aside from the RL stuff ima skip, its like pple want the korean mmo hooker look (less clothes/painted clothes) as a 'feminine' and a DC/Marvel/warhammer as masculine >.>

[Jpec07]

I am not intending this thread to insult people. It is just an issue occurred where my nephews were going to play ff with me noticed the little lady's day event and looked up the outfits in the game. Now they are telling me they are not going to play the game with me because it is too girly. Are we going a bit too far in the aesthetics department of design as of late in this depiction that would cause a lot of male players not to even try this game?

What a perfect opportunity you had to teach your nephews about how silly the ideas enforced by polarized cis-gender-normativity are. A shame that you instead let their conditioning reinforce yours.

Long and short: no, the game is not "too feminine," because femininity in and of itself is not somehow bad, and nor is it intrinsically tied to gender or sex. What is bad is rejecting something at face value because it seems "too feminine." Instead, be confident in yourself and who you are, don't be afraid if you enjoy something that doesn't fit in the box label you've assigned to yourself, and don't shame anyone else who doesn't fit into a box either. Humans are beautifully complex individuals, and generalizations like labels and stereotypes cheapen the experience of interacting with one another, and only cause harm. The less you assume, the more you ask, the more you learn, and the fuller your life will be.

[Chalbee]

Catering to minorities is fine and encouraged - catering to them above and beyond the majority, however, isn't - because that just skews things in the opposite direction. Balance is key - and as far as I'm concerned anybody who cannot see that should not be getting involved in complex socio-political issues in the first place.

When did taking a step back to ensure you're treating people with respect become "Catering?" You could at least try to hide your disdain for us.

[Chalbee]

What a perfect opportunity you had to teach your nephews about how silly the ideas enforced by polarized cis-gender-normativity are. A shame that you instead let their conditioning reinforce yours.

Long and short: no, the game is not "too feminine," because femininity in and of itself is not somehow bad, and nor is it intrinsically tied to gender or sex. What is bad is rejecting something at face value because it seems "too feminine." Instead, be confident in yourself and who you are, don't be afraid if you enjoy something that doesn't fit in the box label you've assigned to yourself, and don't shame anyone else who doesn't fit into a box either. Humans are beautifully complex individuals, and generalizations like labels and stereotypes cheapen the experience of interacting with one another, and only cause harm. The less you assume, the more you ask, the more you learn, and the fuller your life will be.

Perfectly said.

[SpiritMuse]

[...]I think it's because of what they are used to. If most of the games they play are say 80% Masculine 20% Feminine. if they were then to play a game that was say 60% Mas 40% Fem, even tho the Mas is still the dominating factor, the fact that there is more of the other would stand out to them more. Giving them the illusion that they are being overwhelmed by it.

This is actually a thing that exists. Research has shown that, for whatever reason, men tend to overestimate the number of women in a group. If a group had 20% women, they perceived it as being 50/50. If there were 30% women, they perceived it as there being more women than men. And when women were allowed 50% of the talking time (which normally they don't even come close to - men actually talk more) they were perceived as dominating the conversation.

It's not a great stretch to assume that similar things are happening when people perceive this game as overly feminine.

[Theodric]

When did taking a step back to ensure you're treating people with respect become "Catering?" You could at least try to hide your disdain for us.

That's a pretty strange assumption. There's no disdain - especially since I'm a guy who happens to like guys, thus a 'minority' myself. I simply have no interest in exploiting that to push an agenda. Furthermore it's not 'disrespect' for people to be against perceived emasculation of men - or the aspects of this game which are overly feminine/androgynous such as much of the caster and bard gear, certain emotes (many dances in particular) and hairstyles. Having those options is a good thing - though not when it's in arguable excess - but any thread that touches upon these delicate issues ends up having a vocal minority of people pleased with such things getting very political and taking differing opinions as personal attacks.

As for the original poster's initial comment? Let kids be kids - they really shouldn't have to worry about tiptoeing around complex socio-political issues - and it's most definitely not the job of posters on the forum of an online game to give advice as to how children should be raised. Then again a lot of it is simply virtue signalling in an attempt to be seen as 'progressive', I'd wager - which is something alarmingly common in threads such as this.

What a perfect opportunity you had to teach your nephews about how silly the ideas enforced by polarized cis-gender-normativity are. A shame that you instead let their conditioning reinforce yours.

That's a pretty impressive list of loaded buzzwords strung together.