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    LineageRazor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    The problem with Parry is it's entirely RNG based. You cannot structure your build around something like that, especially not mitigation. Even changing it to a potential free auto attack wouldn't make it worthwhile because Crit/Det is guaranteed damage throughout the fight.
    To be fair, Crit is also entirely RNG based, and yet it is the best possible secondary to stack for most jobs.

    No, the problem with Parry, as has already been stated, is that no matter how you tool it, it's a worthless stat on the off tank. To parry something, you have to have an incoming attack - and the off-tank doesn't get any of those in most situations. Parry doesn't just need to be adjusted; it needs to be replaced altogether. Or, as a less savory alternative, it, and the monsters that tanks tank, could be buffed to the point where tanks HAVE to stack Parry just to survive - and even if that happened, you'd have tanks trying to figure out the minimal possible amount of Parry to stack while still getting the job done.

    Counterattacks suffer from the same problem; the off-tank gets no benefit. That said, I DO like the idea of tanks getting the ability to counterattack... How about this for an idea? Rather than counterattack, call them opportunity attacks. When a main tank takes a hit, they have a chance to inflict an attack of opportunity - and if that chance succeeds, any other tanks attacking the same target ALSO get a free attack in. Similarly, an off-tank has a chance of triggering an opportunity attack every time they strike the mob, and if it succeeds, the main tank (and any other off-tank) also gets a free hit in. This chance, both when giving or receiving attacks, is greater the higher you stack the stat. The tank is goading the enemy into a vulnerable position, which she and the other tanks can then exploit - seems like a tanky sort of flavor to me.
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    Kosmos Meishou
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    No, the problem with Parry, as has already been stated, is that no matter how you tool it, it's a worthless stat on the off tank. To parry something, you have to have an incoming attack - and the off-tank doesn't get any of those in most situations. Parry doesn't just need to be adjusted; it needs to be replaced altogether.
    I disagree completely with this. playing off tank is something that is only a thing in 8-player content. For Tanks Parry is always useful in any circumstance except being off-tank. For all players parry is useful anytime they are individually fighting one or more enemies. Parry as a skill does not exist for or depend on, the off-tank using it. It applies to everyone, and is a defensive stat. I feel that like auto attack it needs to be released a little and allow the parry rate to be assessed against all physical attacks regardless of facing, and the parry stat needs to have a measurable impact on either the rate or strength of the parry made.

    But this idea that parry shouold go because off tanks can't use it is ludicrous. Parry exists for more than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    To be fair, Crit is also entirely RNG based, and yet it is the best possible secondary to stack for most jobs.
    Critical hit is RNG based, but the secondary stat itself contributes directly to Strength, thereby increasing your damage. That is why Crit and Det are so valued.

    Parry, as a secondary stat, is worthless to everyone because it's mitigation you cannot plan around. If I'm the main tank, I can't rely on parrying a tank buster because if RNG fails me, I'll likely die. AST had a similar issue when it first released; relying on heavy RNG. It largely saw little use in Gordias due to that same unreliability.
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    Last edited by Bourne_Endeavor; 09-14-2016 at 09:18 PM.