In 4.0 can we please get rid of caster bars on physical ranged jobs?!

[Ametrine]

Yeah, why don't they just, uh...play that other ranged DPS without cast times.

You know, that one...what's it called again?

My concern with this is that means all bards ever only play as bards. No alt jobs in a game that does everything it can to allow us to play with everything.

That's concerning in a whole different way.

[mb52139]

Seeing as I am level 60 with it now and decided to level it through PotD till about 57 id say it does. Its fine as is. :P

No.. you didn't learn the class from the start. You didn't work hard to learn your class and get as skilled as you could in it, only for 1 skill to turn EVERYTHING you knew of the class upside down. Simply doing a dungeon where you blast through 1-50, you don't really get to appreciate just what most bards went through.

[Astyrah]

My concern with this is that means all bards ever only play as bards. No alt jobs in a game that does everything it can to allow us to play with everything.

That's concerning in a whole different way.

some of us here that complain have tried and leveled a lot of the other jobs to 60.

some people play bard because it's the bow and arrow thing. some because of the playstyle and skill set. or both.

those who switched to MCH after it was buffed sometime in early 3.x clearly switched due to raid requirements (and some went back to BRD after the recent buffs to our dot and ogcd potencies)

it's similar to people who main DRG because it's the weapon, the aesthetic and the skill set.

we play BRD because we love BRD despite how SE broke us. ^_^

[Ametrine]

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SE has collectively destroyed the class and added more layers to play it effectively, a BRD players must maintain support, while being an on the fly esuna/leeches machine, all while being stuck behind a skill that we can't stance dance out of like MCH or WM, without fear of being locked out of Empyreal Arrow or Iron Jaws, two of our most heavily used skills.

Again, I shall reiterate, Bard isn't the only job fundamentally changed with the level cap increase. Read: Enochian on BLM and Aetherial Attunement on SMN.



Although, if giving WM a shorter cooldown to allow Bards the ability to stance dance ala and healer with Cleric's would save old school bards some heartache, then why don't we all push for it in 4.0?

[LillithCale]

My concern with this is that means all bards ever only play as bards. No alt jobs in a game that does everything it can to allow us to play with everything.

That's concerning in a whole different way.

What's wrong with that? Take a look at my lodestone, the only job I have leveled passed 50 combat wise is Bard. I understand we can play as others things but in combat, I don't want to. I like my bow and arrow.

Tanking? No, it gives me aniexty. I tried, I ended up crying by the end of my first real dungeon, my S/O had to come over and finish up for me because it shook me up that bad.

Healing? NOPE! Not after the experience tanking gave me. I don't want people relaying on me to not let them die. I'd rather be the idiot who dies by their own mistakes.

Monk or Dragoon? Melee classes that I'm terrible with. Truth, I didn't give monk much of a go but I gave Dragoon a fair shot and I didn't like it. There is something about being in melee combat that makes me brain goes hodor.

Ninja? I'm poking at it right now because of the Yokai event, it's fairly fun but I only have ONE mundra and I still manage to rabbit myself! Something tells me that playing the class isn't quite for me @___@

Black Mage and Summoner? Not interested because I don't like playing casters.

MCH? See caster statement. Plus, I just don't wanna use a Gun. It's not my cup of tea.

Just because a game allows us to play all the classes, doesn't mean we have too. Some of us prefer being a master of one thing over a master of all things, regardless of the reasons and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Maybe I'm old fashioned but...

[MPNZ]

Um, I think what most people don't understand about bard's is that we also need time to observe what is happening outside of the rotation, which is really has been really hard with the more complex rotation with HW. With the increase in he number of GCD and OGCD skill, and the inclusion of cast bars: most bards literally lost most of the time that was needed to observe things like TP and MP, and it insentivised prioritizing their rotation over what was needed for the party. And, we ended up with many players avoiding support functions entirely. You can totally forget about me casting paeon in parties, BTW. Paeon is just as much garbage in our rotation as shadowbind is, IMO.

They also should really do something like cap damage and HP/MP levels in the 1-50 dungeons and trials for synced content, because facerolling and ignoring mechanics is the reason why it's just so boring to do it. Except the Darkhold's second boss who should really return. Most of the 3.0 bosses were just totes super boring, anyway!

[Astyrah]

Again, I shall reiterate, Bard isn't the only job fundamentally changed with the level cap increase. Read: Enochian on BLM and Aetherial Attunement on SMN.

Although, if giving WM a shorter cooldown to allow Bards the ability to stance dance ala and healer with Cleric's would save old school bards some heartache, then why don't we all push for it in 4.0?

ok going with your given example. the thing with SMN and BLM is that they were casters from the beginning. BLM, sure eno and leylines, but the core of the class is still there. you manage MP usage with Ice and Fire and on top of that Manage echochain when it's there - when it's not up, you mostly go back to 50's blm routine. SMN, they were semi-mobile casters and DWT only added another layer (timing management) to it's core playstyle.

Bards took a 180 degree turn. broke some of the traits. and made certain ogcds clunky. sure thunderprocs on BLM is clunky too midcast of a fire/ice spell but they've dealt with that since low levels. bards had to suddenly adapt to a playstyle shift.

[Ametrine]

. Maybe I'm old fashioned but...

Look, just because I love Oddish to bits and one all the time doesn't mean I wasn't willing to at least try playing with other Pokemon of the same types instead to see if I enjoy them. Their are too many amazing poison and grass types to choose from that restricting myself just feels silly. Otherwise, I would've never realized how awesome Drapion, Crobat, or Whimsicott are!

That's why it bothers me. I've HAD to swap mains with 3.0, too, and I know I'm not the only one who did so. Scholar is borderline impossible on a controller set-up at level 60. I couldn't micro the fairy since I ran out of slots to put her skills on!

So, I tried SMN, DRG, PLD, and eventually landed on AST for a long time. I found another option that was different but still fun.

[AskaRay]

That's why it bothers me. I've HAD to swap mains with 3.0, too, and I know I'm not the only one who did so. Scholar is borderline impossible on a controller set-up at level 60. I couldn't micro the fairy since I ran out of slots to put her skills on!

I play SCH just fine with a controller?
I have 3 and a half crossbars, and it did take some getting used to, but it works... so I wouldn't call it "impossible".

[Zojha]

My concern with this is that means all bards ever only play as bards.

No, it does not - it means that unlike the person I quoted suggested, there IS no job currently in the game that better suits the playstyle of the people who preferred the old bard to move on to. We have no ranged jobs, neither DPS nor otherwise, without cast times in the game right now. Zero, nada. It's on the same level as telling poor people to just eat cake if they lack bread, purely condescending.

That's why alt jobs aren't a solution. They're not even a tangent. That's like telling a person who prefers ranged classes to just pick a different class when theirs and every other class in the game gets turned into a melee. There are no options for that playstyle and therefore, such a suggestion is ignorant at best and malicious glee at worst.