Difficulty format for Normal and Savage will remain in 4.0

[Brian_]

well as long as the clear rates are as dismal as they are, we probably wont be worrying about a raid in 5.0 at this rate. Keep the formula up, its working pretty damn well. Arguing about people who clear or dont doesnt matter, you forget theyre trying to motivate people who dont, to want to. But of course you totally neglected the entire conversation to prove you can recover from one mechanic or another, then use your personal experiences, which is fine we all do, to assume its the same for everyone. you win lanners every first time you clear, the guy next to you has to get 99 totems to even get a chance at theirs. Either way, turning the OTHER side down is cool, we'll let SE see the formula is so flawless and stop funding raiding altogether if this cycle continues with these "exceptionally great" results.

I mean this was a discussion rooted in things said during that specific interview right? So I thought this was a discussion on how they could help make raiding better more desirable, more motivating, and less intimidating. I guess the important thing is its completely pug'able, people who cleared can tell ya from experience even, they didnt have a static that clears every week, we're all delusional.

Nice straw man you have there.

[ADVSS]

Nice straw man you have there.

your avatars hair is lovely, wanna get back to the subject or use a phrase ive read over a million times by people with no real retort?

Besides all the nonsense, thse were my opinions and im not changing them, nor do i care to... find a better angle.

[Yukiko]

(..) SE tunes their content based on their own internal numbers. (..)

From what we know:
SE mostly just looks at clear rates, they do not care if its the same group over and over again or they dont have other numbers.
So if only one static farms, it is fine for SE... as long as there are "enough" clears.

[Velhart]

You got to love SE. They first say that the clear rate/activity rate is low in Savage and trying to find ways to increase it, yet they say at the same time that they cannot put higher reward than they have in there right now because people will feel more compelled to do it. Or in their words, feel forced to do it. For frick sake SE, what do you want out of raiding? Will you just say you hate doing it and get rid of it already and stop beating around the bush?

Two things to increase raid activity:
1. Make a better reward scheme
2. Create more midcore content for players to work into raiding easier.
BONUS. Use Normal mode as a means to engage at a midcore level and stop using it as a means to get instant gratification story time. Earn the story.

I think the Final Fantasy brand itself is strong enough to motivate people to do more midcore content if done right. It happened with FFXI, FFXIV 1.0, and 2.0. People adapted and got better, well some anyways. Perhaps this is just a generation thing now where people feel entitled to things quickly and easily and I am just an old man who is just screaming about the good ol' days when challenge was in various forms, not just in one spot and everything else is brain dead easy.

[Brian_]

your avatars hair is lovely, wanna get back to the subject or use a phrase ive read over a million times by people with no real retort?

Besides all the nonsense, thse were my opinions and im not changing them, nor do i care to... find a better angle.

It is a real retort. I never said almost all the things you accused me of saying. So, what am I supposed to reply to? Your straw man?

[KarstenS]

And while Elyisum did have some i240 gear from raid drops, they certainly weren't anywhere close to being full i240 or even i230 overall.

They did not had that low amount of gear for the final turn you expect.

As they've cleared A7 within the first week and did run these turns with a twink party too, they've had beside the fully meldet crafted gear in the week they finally beat A8:

- 6x i240 weapon
- 36x chests with i240 gear (24 of them left side gear, even if only 50% were useful for the A8 party, its alot)
- at least 1 upgraded (cheap) tome item for everybody

[Yukiko]

They did not had that low amount of gear for the final turn you expect.

As they've cleared A7 within the first week and did run these turns with a twink party too, they've had beside the fully meldet crafted gear in the week they finally beat A8:

- 6x i240 weapon
- 36x chests with i240 gear (24 of them left side gear, even if only 50% were useful for the A8 party, its alot)
- at least 1 upgraded (cheap) tome item for everybody

Can underline this!
Most (not all) groups i have seen had fully melded crafted gear.
If you sum up all those materia you are on par with ilvl 240 gear.
Mostly right side was crafted and left side was mixed.
Special the Weapon was oftn from latest primal.

[enthauptet]

Since this keeps being brought up by a few people here. The vast majority of groups raiding have like at best half of the people that are actually good in the group anyway. You can't really compare any top teams to them because the difference between having a full group of good players (or like 6+) and having just a few (like 1-3) is HUGE. You know that trap farm party for outdated content you left immediately? Yeah that's most raid groups.