Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Millerna]

I disagree
As AST he have more than enough power to handle MSQ 50 dungeon

And the healer is not here as safety for dps to eat all aoe
Beside at this level
EoS is the strongest healing power so no need to remove cleric

On the other hand in a party with 2 healers, it's really not a good idea to stay in cleric stance if you see health bars of the party getting dangerously low, regardless of whether the DPS are dodging AoE or not.

[Fluestergras]

Weeping City... One of our WHMs kept DPSing no matter what. Everyone was on low health or dead, the other WHM struggled keeping everyone up - who cares, let's cast another Stone III! We wiped five times on Ozma and once even died to Doomsday because the DPS was too low. This run ended in a vote abandon...

Second try, this time we had a ninja who kept pulling, he pulled the crocodiles, Arachne Eve, Forgall and Headstone. And at Ozma he and I got a meteor marker, I ran left, the ninja first did nothing, then followed me and stood literally on top of me ._. We kicked him, and while our tank pulled Calofisteri, another DPS dropped out. Great.

Yet, no wipes, and I've seen Mwynn in another alliance and laughed my ass off because of his search info

[ExKage]

I myself am guilty of using PLD Spirits Within for the damage, to a point that it's so habitual to press it when it's off cooldown that I occasionally find it's unavailable when there's something to silence (I'm getting better at repressing the urge, but have not perfected it yet).

Me back when T1 and T2 we had it set up so that PLD took first silence then BRD: Uh shit I used Spirits Within again. Hello High Voltage time to restart. Oops.
I did it one time and got major flack for it that a dragoon left the weekly clear PUG I was in. I was bad and felt bad.

[randysquirrel]

On the other hand in a party with 2 healers, it's really not a good idea to stay in cleric stance if you see health bars of the party getting dangerously low, regardless of whether the DPS are dodging AoE or not.

Dunno, I'm conflicted on this. I don't heal people over and over again if they're taking damage they shouldn't be, from not knowing mechanics etc. I prob should, but what's the point if they just going to keep dying.

Joined a WC in progress last week, I was on AST. People had no idea what was going on. Somehow we get to the last boss, people getting hit over and over and again, even tho haircut is clearly telegraphed. Ends up one team is completely dead, another team only has the tank up, who is MT, and my team is just me and dps. I've rezzed everyone on my team at least once, only for them to die again. We keep chipping away until lb3 pops, I use it to bring everyone up, but they all die one by one yet again, until it is just me and the one dps again. I decide to forget the rezzes and we just kill the boss ourselves, me, a tank and a dps.

There's only so much you can do

[aesteval]

Got ARF from the 60 roulette. Had two dps leave immediately. I was worried the tank was going to leave because usually it's always the tanks/healers that leave first, but he stayed. We get a third dps and wait a few minutes before we get a fourth, who leaves. A few seconds later, the same dps joins again and leaves (I thought you'd get a penalty if there's a full party, but I dunno). Another dps joins and leaves right away. Finally, we get another dps that stays and run goes smoothly.

I don't know why they even bothered leaving because the penalty + queue times would take twice as long as it would take to do it, but okay then.

Could be they excessively spammed ARF for Eso for Umbrite and never want to see the dungeon again. :-/

[aesteval]

Running Castrum Meridianum yesterday for my story roulette.

The AST yelled at me because i was in cleric stance as a SCH on the last pull of trash mobs.
Everyone died and this AST blamed me, like it's my fault if the dps don't dodge the AOE and can't avoid avoidable damages.
Funny to see that the AST was his first healer lvl 50+ and he wasn't able to solo heal something he should be solohealing and blaming me for the wipe.

Well, you could have prevented a wipe but didn't. I can see where someone would place blame. :-p

[aesteval]

Somehow we get to the last boss, people getting hit over and over and again, even tho haircut is clearly telegraphed.

Haircut is only clearly telegraphed if people actually watch her hair to see which side turns into a blade. :-/ And then there's the potential issue of tanks trying to turn the haircut or the time where she charges and ends up reversing direction of the haircut. It ends up being easy to dodge if you stay centered, but I've seen poor positioning resulting from dodging extension AoEs, which moves players far enough where they'll eat a haircut afterwards. It'd probably be worth mentioning to others to watch her hair in addition to ground indicators to make sure they're aware of the early tell. I wouldn't have faith in expecting everyone to be watching her hair. I'd have more faith in expecting people to be clueless.

[ExKage]

Well, you could have prevented a wipe but didn't. I can see where someone would place blame. :-p

Gonna go with this one with some added notes. If the healer is a new 50, it's very possible they're not geared very well (i100s) or that the others in the party are. Yes if they aren't avoiding AOEs that's a problem but people can almost nearly crash the last pull of Castrum by not doing all the lights or not dealing with the giants with cannons. YES, you can totally deal with the iron giants without the cannons but it is a little bit of a strain when the tanks are cleaving people with it. I've done it plenty of times but a new healer isn't going to be able to handle that most likely. So this sounds more like a shame on both heals, with the added shame on the healer who decided to spite everyone by being happy with a wipe that could have been prevented because the new healer could have or should have been able to solo heal it.

Haircut is only clearly telegraphed if people actually watch her hair to see which side turns into a blade. :-/ And then there's the potential issue of tanks trying to turn the haircut or the time where she charges and ends up reversing direction of the haircut. It ends up being easy to dodge if you stay centered, but I've seen poor positioning resulting from dodging extension AoEs, which moves players far enough where they'll eat a haircut afterwards. It'd probably be worth mentioning to others to watch her hair in addition to ground indicators to make sure they're aware of the early tell. I wouldn't have faith in expecting everyone to be watching her hair. I'd have more faith in expecting people to be clueless.

I've found more people get cleaved or killed from haircuts because a tank tried to be cool and pre-position based on hairblade side than when people just let it be tanked in the middle. It's ok in the beginning but once you get to last phase where she gets the axe/club, penetration and charges, people in ranged are more likely to be out of a position to avoid the haircleave than usual. Not a big problem when you're following her in melee range but it hits the ranged most times.

[Atoli]

the *read the debuff* came afterwards and STILL doesnt mean it CAN be removed.yeah I read it right

And just trying despell on it yourself is not something every healer can do WHY AGAIN?


@AST/SCH in MSQ roulette:
I have to agree with Mei and Millerna here. In general, keeping the party alive is the no.1 priority for healers (yes, even for SCHs ).
AST should be able to solo-heal, DPS shouldn't get hit by all the AoEs, etc., of course. But if it happens anyway and you see that it's turning out to be too much for your co-healer to handle,
dropping CS and helping with the healing is the right thing to do. After all, you joined the party as a healer, right? ^^

[Mysterysword]

@AST/SCH in MSQ roulette:
I have to agree with Mei and Millerna here. In general, keeping the party alive is the no.1 priority for healers (yes, even for SCHs ).
AST should be able to solo-heal, DPS shouldn't get hit by all the AoEs, etc., of course. But if it happens anyway and you see that it's turning out to be too much for your co-healer to handle,
dropping CS and helping with the healing is the right thing to do. After all, you joined the party as a healer, right? ^^

This. Expecting your co-healer to solo-heal everything, in a dungeon that the game creators specifically designed to be healed by 2 people, is frankly just plain asinine. If you queued as a healer, do your damn job, instead of DPSing. If you want to DPS, queue as a DPS.