Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Maerwen]

This made me so mad. I don't normally leave an instance unless I have an emergency. Anyways I got Sephy (HM or NM whatever you wanna call it) from Mentor Roulette. We wiped 3 times because DPS keep ignoring mechanics. Right after the 3rd wipe, the tank asked if someone needs to know the mechanics and at the time I got a call from bro to tell me to go see his wife because she had a miscarriage so I told the party I have to go due to emergency and apologized.

The blm (who spent his time dying at least twice per wipe - either falling off or not dodging the aoes that can one shot) decided to yell at me and the emergency is because of the fact I fell. Yes, I fell off only once before the first wipe and stayed alive until I had to leave. But he made it look like the wipes are my fault and I'm running away. I was one of the healer and my co healer is my friend. Didn’t know she was in there til run started.

[AutoWhit]

When you know there is a SPECIFIC move that must be stunned, save stuns for that move. Your ignorance for move order is no less better.

If everyone knows the specific move that needs to be stunned what do you expect to happen if a stun order isn't discussed...for everyone to stand around waiting for everyone else to stun 1st? I see a move that can be interrupted I'm doing it.

[AutoWhit]

I think the problem is more the fact that melee DPS are trying to push as much DPS as possible, and... hey, would you look at that, this oGCD stun move has damage on it! Let's use it whenever it's off cooldown! What's that? We need to be able to stun certain moves? BUT MUH DEEPS!

In all seriousness, I see far too many melee DPS spamming their stuns on cooldown to try and maximize damage, on enemies that really should only be stunned at certain times. Heck, even WAR and DRK are guilty of it at times.

Who does that? Really? Do people really use their stuns as part of a rotation? I'm sincerely curious about that? Seriously, I can't even use mine on accident. I have it mapped to a specific key that can't even be "fat fingered." I use it when it's needed, and if you see dps doing otherwise they should be told it's not exactly the most optimal use of a rotation. Not to mention it should be saved for when it actually IS needed.

[ExKage]

If everyone knows the specific move that needs to be stunned what do you expect to happen if a stun order isn't discussed...for everyone to stand around waiting for everyone else to stun 1st? I see a move that can be interrupted I'm doing it.

You do realize that this is not a problem when you consider what I and others have said, right? It's the people using the stun before hand, which invokes diminishing returns or even stun resistance, that means you cannot stun the move when you need to stun in the first place.

The original comment you replied to said "Did Hullbreaker HM as a healer first pull goes okay got a drg/smn for DPS they AoE then we get to the buffalo..and well the Drg stuns so it's on DR (diminishing returns)." which means the stuns were used so that the move(s) that should be stunned could not be.

[synesthetic]

Who does that? Really? Do people really use their stuns as part of a rotation? I'm sincerely curious about that?

After 3 years of seeing it, I'd say it's so common, it may as well be the norm. Which is exactly what causes what that original post was all about.
If there's damage attached to the skill, people are going to weave it in between their GCDs to push out extra DPS, mechanics be damned. Tell them not to, and most will keep doing it anyway.

All the more reason for this thread to exist.

[Lmcgyver]

Who does that? Really? Do people really use their stuns as part of a rotation? I'm sincerely curious about that? Seriously, I can't even use mine on accident. I have it mapped to a specific key that can't even be "fat fingered." I use it when it's needed, and if you see dps doing otherwise they should be told it's not exactly the most optimal use of a rotation. Not to mention it should be saved for when it actually IS needed.

Sadly... yep. As synesthetic has said, it's common enough to be considered normal, because there's damage on the skill and people are going to use that damage if they can. This is especially noticeable in the case of DRG Spineshatter Dive and MNK Shoulder Tackle, as these have the added bonus of instantly moving you to attack range.
Most of the time, it doesn't matter because the target doesn't have anything that especially needs to be stunned, or is immune anyway. So, these people looking to maximize DPS get in the habit of working the stun into their rotation; they then continue using this rotation even when there's something that really needs to be stunned at certain times, simply through force of habit.

I myself am guilty of using PLD Spirits Within for the damage, to a point that it's so habitual to press it when it's off cooldown that I occasionally find it's unavailable when there's something to silence (I'm getting better at repressing the urge, but have not perfected it yet).

[synesthetic]

So, these people looking to maximize DPS get in the habit of working the stun into their rotation; they then continue using this rotation even when there's something that really needs to be stunned at certain times, simply through force of habit.

My favorite result of this is I have a BRD friend who's accidentally Repelling Shot-launched himself out of the arena for every boss where it's possible to.

[Bebekurenai]

I myself am guilty of using PLD Spirits Within for the damage, to a point that it's so habitual to press it when it's off cooldown that I occasionally find it's unavailable when there's something to silence (I'm getting better at repressing the urge, but have not perfected it yet).

Hey! Spirits Within's damage is so OP tho D:

[AnaviAnael]

Trial roulette tonight. Got Titan hard mode. Everything went fine except not a single Det Down debuff was removed. Once again, healers being bad at removing status debuffs.

[MeiUshu]

Trial roulette tonight. Got Titan hard mode. Everything went fine except not a single Det Down debuff was removed. Once again, healers being bad at removing status debuffs.

Ignorance is not being bad is ..not knowing. Many healers, and dps at that too, in Titan HM dont have a clue what that debuff does even not that it is a debuff as such. I am pretty sure that if today you are here calling healers bad for something they probably didnt know, is because someone told/explained to you at one point what it is right ? Maybe you should have done the same, which probably you didnt as I see it or else you would have told us so right ?